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What will become of religion

I am simply appaled at the religions at the world these days, they are becomeing extremely similar to the cigarete companies in their mad attempt to gain support. Look at this article I found http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/07/relig ... ngregants/

I see judaisim slowly evaporating, more and more jew's seem to consider themselves the pinicle of intelligence (and if you dont know our religion well, its very vain...so very vain) and lose their faith as all people of cold intellect do.

I see christianity continue to fight pointless war's and condemn innocents left and right, even slow down the progression of all mankind with its twisted morals.

I see the islamic people being torn into two sects of radical and rational, a religion based on love slowly turning into a dangerous group of extremists.

I see budasim being irradicated in most asian countries by this two thousand year old wave of christianity...it is so much more economical to be christian after all.


I know I am being pesimistic...and I know that there is alot of good being done by all four of these religions....but does the good really cancel out the bad? This is not the past repeating itself, these modern religions seem differnet in a way I cant seem to discribe....

so I ask of you, what do you think shall happen next?

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Hopefully it'll die out and the world will be a much better place.

Well, that is after we take down governments, at least.
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i think we'd be better off without every religion except for buddhism and others like it. it doesn't push its beliefs on anyone and encourages people to think for themselves. well, at least for practicing buddhists anyways, other followers are just that, followers.
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They'll keep fighting each other until only one religion stands.

To thoughtmaker, for your information the buddhists are fighting in southern Thailand with the muslims. They've killed many muslims (the minority) there.

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ATXTheKiller Wrote:Hopefully it'll die out and the world will be a much better place.

Well, that is after we take down governments, at least.
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Schooler Wrote:They'll keep fighting each other until only one religion stands.

To thoughtmaker, for your information the buddhists are fighting in southern Thailand with the muslims. They've killed many muslims (the minority) there.

news to me. those people can't be called buddhists the same way as christians who war against others cannot be called christians. i think that true buddhism is one of the most open-minded religions.
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Humans are naturally mysticist sons of bitches, so there always gonna be some faith. I don't care where these religions are headed, but I sincerely do hope that the middle east (including Israel - not referring to their quality of life but the barbaric traits, ie of using religion as a ground to be granted land) either becomes civilized or gets wiped off the map.

To call buddhism open minded is such crap too. If you like philosophical traits of Eastern religion like most of us do, that's fantastic, but to try and organize any belief will surely result in mysticism and destructive habits (see: The feudalist system of Tibet.) Buddhism as a PHILOSOPHY is fine because its relative to interpretation and that gives it a far better name than Christianity but much harm has been done by people who claim to be peaceful buddhists. It's just the religious complex.

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Re: What will become of religion

Vatman Wrote:I see judaisim slowly evaporating, more and more jew's seem to consider themselves the pinicle of intelligence (and if you dont know our religion well, its very vain...so very vain) and lose their faith as all people of cold intellect do.
i know exactly what you eman, and i know people who are like that. however, there are still those who aren't that way.

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Religions have foughten througout all time, there will always be a certain amount of people that will blindly follow religions and there will always be people that will abuse that fact. Who knows what will happen, maybe religions will die out, or maybe all the religious wars will not be as extreme, or maybe religions will destroy the world, who truly knows?
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Quote:I see christianity continue to fight pointless war's and condemn innocents left and right, even slow down the progression of all mankind with its twisted morals.

Those people may call themselves Christians, but I don't believe they are God's people. A fully devout follower of the one and only God only wages war when his right to worship as a Christian is infringed, or he is protecting innocents. A child of God never goes around making death. It isn't right.

And there are many seemingly innocent people out there (none are fully innocent, for we can know good and evil, and we are all tarnished by being descendants of Adam) that I believe will be condemned to Hell in the afterlife, but that doesn't mean we should just condemn them in this life, kill them, shun them. A true follower of God respects and embraces people of all faiths, but doesn't necessarily respect the actual faith they believe in (although they respect their right to worship it). Also it is not any man's place, Christian or otherwise, to enforce religious morality.

Those people may be Christian, but they are not really Christian. That's my take on it.

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Theres more Atheists as time goes on. I don't see religion being gone anytime soon, or at all for that matter. But I do see it going to drastically.

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Actually there are less Atheists, I read it somewhere. There's being more and more Muslims and stuff.

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Weswammy Wrote:Actually there are less Atheists, I read it somewhere. There's being more and more Muslims and stuff.

Depends where. I read that there was more Atheists in the US, sorry that I didn't specify. I believe the same goes for most of Europe as well. But the rest of the world, religion flourishes.

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Actually the United States is very religious, particularly Christian, than most of Europe.

This is straight from the Wikipedia page on the US of A:
"The United States government does not audit Americans' religious beliefs. In a private survey conducted in 2001, 76.7 percent of American adults identified themselves as Christian, down from 86.4 percent in 1990. Protestant denominations accounted for 52 percent, while Roman Catholics, at 24.5 percent, were the largest individual denomination. A different study describes white evangelicals, 26.3 percent of the population, as the country's largest religious cohort; evangelicals of all races are estimated at 30–35 percent. The total reporting non-Christian religions in 2001 was 3.7 percent, up from 3.3 percent in 1990. The leading non-Christian faiths were Judaism (1.4 percent), Islam (0.5 percent), Buddhism (0.5 percent), Hinduism (0.4 percent), and Unitarian Universalism (0.3 percent). Between 1990 and 2001, the number of Muslims and Buddhists more than doubled. From 8.2 percent in 1990, 14.2 percent in 2001 described themselves as agnostic, atheist, or simply having no religion, still significantly less than in other postindustrial countries such as Britain (44 percent) and Sweden (69 percent)."

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I don't think there is anything wrong with religion but these radicals and extremists need to shut up.

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I don't trust most surveys, especially "private" ones. It's impossible to get the right statistics unless you survey every single person. Let's say they did a survey seeing how many people support gay marriage. They take a bunch of people from Georgia, and conduct the test. They take a bunch of people who happen to live in a gay community. The results will be negative on one end, and positive on the other. This does not represent what a nation of people think.

Anyways, just because someone claims they are, lets say, Christian, or identifies with it, doesn't mean they are. It just means they were raised as it. My dad claims he's a Catholic. He's an alcoholic, he smokes, he has a vile mouth, he never goes to church, etc, etc, etc.....

Theres a lot of thing to be taken into consideration when conducting a survey....

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Even the U.S. Census doesn't survey everybody. Just one person out of every few hundred. I'm also more inclined to believe private stats, because the public sector is usually inefficient.

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Evasion Wrote:I don't trust most surveys, especially "private" ones. It's impossible to get the right statistics unless you survey every single person. Let's say they did a survey seeing how many people support gay marriage. They take a bunch of people from Georgia, and conduct the test. They take a bunch of people who happen to live in a gay community. The results will be negative on one end, and positive on the other. This does not represent what a nation of people think.

Anyways, just because someone claims they are, lets say, Christian, or identifies with it, doesn't mean they are. It just means they were raised as it. My dad claims he's a Catholic. He's an alcoholic, he smokes, he has a vile mouth, he never goes to church, etc, etc, etc.....

Theres a lot of thing to be taken into consideration when conducting a survey....
That sounds like my dad and he considers himself catholic too. Hell, I consider myself catholic, but I hardly know anything about the religion and I'm anything but religious. I agree with what you said about surveys, unless every single person is asked and answer honestly, you won't get a true answer.
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But you can get something close.

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Weswammy, if it weren't for your religion I think I would agree with you on everything. Have you ever been to http://www.2007rapture.com/word/
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I think that there is no wordly state where nuclear weapons and religion can coexist, eventually the religions will destroy us, regardless of which one sets off the first nuke.

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Dude, religions don't do anything, people do.

Whether they serve a false idol, the real God, or whether Science is their almighty God. I wouldn't shoot off a nuke, I be squeamish at such a prospect.

I can't come to terms with having to kill one person, much less potentially millions. Guess what helped me come to the conclusion of passivity? My religion.

Not that I wouldn't fight in a war, but it would have to be a damned good reason for me to.

EDIT: Oh sorry, almost forgot: I haven't been to that website, I prefer to get my theology from the source in my Bible or at church.

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Ah. I only mentioned it because it's my personal faith experiment. If at the end of the year, the rapture hasn't happened, I'm officially converting from agnostic to atheist! Evil
See, you say your religion prompts your passivity, but you also mention you would be willing to fight in a war depending on the severity of the reason. Just for the sake of speculative diplomatic discourse... what reasons?
I don't think there would be any way I'd ever fight in a war, even if I was forced to. Though I'll admit when you're talking about personal decisions with something like this, it's hard to say anything for sure.

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The Holy War spoken of in the book of Revelations in the Bible and I might fight in a militia to protect my local area if we weren't the aggressors.

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i hope most religion goes away soon(I am an atheist).
i don't see why buddhism is considered a religion? because to me a religion is a religion only
if it has a belief in a god(s)

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You know what I think. I think to many people Science is Almighty. I think the worshiping of Science is moving to replace other religions.

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well i do not worship science i worship nothing
and yes their are some people who worship science
but the people who worship science are idiots
because science is not religion nor is it a god

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Would you call a religious person an idiot?

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well let me rephrase my statement
most people who worship science are idiots
as for your question
some religious people are idiots some aren't

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Avenger Wrote:some religious people are idiots some aren't
That just doesn't go for religious people, all people are like that. The world is full of idiots and non-idiots.
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Religion is idiocy, but religious people aren't idiots anymore than a beautiful person can't have an abysmal fashion sense.

Edit: The analogous solution... Nudism!

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