Second Amendment

[Darthmat]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july ... 11-20.html

Quote:Capitalism has made its way.
Old fashioned fascism will take it away.

[Evasion]

Mind posting it? I have to sign in, and I don't have an account.

[Alucard483]

ITs not working for me. Whats it say

[Darthmat]

Fixed.

[thewake]

Messed up. I hope we can keep our guns or else we'll end up like those guys in Europe.

What I say:
Would it make you feel better if people were, instead of with guns, pushed out a window?

[Darthmat]

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[thewake]

All the breaking of our 2nd Amendment Rights are made by retards who think guns kill people.

People kill people, murder happens with guns or without.

[Rebelnerd]

Fuck, they had better not do that. i've already got to wait until i'm 21 before i can do anything more than use harsh language against a potential mugger, and now this? WTF is that supposed to accomplish? if they ban handguns in a specific area like DC or the US in general, you know what criminals will do? THEY'LL BUY THEM OUTSIDE THAT AREA!!!!! how hard is that to understand?

i love it how people say "look at Britain! they had very strict gun laws and look at the results, such a low murder rate! we should be like them!" yeah, let's all be like the Brits! lets put security cameras on every street corner and parking lot, even right outside George Orwell's house. let's do research on microphones that can identify anger or stress in a person's voice in order to red flag it for analysis and scatter them throughout the city. let's be like them, because a world where the government is always there watching you and you can't do shit, and gangs with baseball bats beat you up and you're completely defenseless, is definitely the world we want to live in.

[Darthmat]

We also get alot of murders b/c of intolerance and poverty.

I don't see anything to get rid of those.

[youvebeenthunderstruck]

darthmat Wrote:We also get alot of murders b/c of intolerance and poverty.

I don't see anything to get rid of those.

Intolerance: get rid of school.

Poverty: I don't exactly know how but there are ways.

[Darthmat]

Before we try to get rid of school, why don't we have schools teach tolerance?

And how would getting rid of school destroy intolerance? :/

[thewake]

The poverty is caused by the darned minimum wage laws.
If they took them away, sure some people wouldn't have as many luxuries, but more people would be working and get food in their mouth.

[Darthmat]

Is anyone here actually against the second amendment?

[thoughtmaker]

Wolf on Mescaline Wrote:I'm not!

I'd sure like me a pair of bear arms! You could maul some mutha fuckas!

true that.

poverty is caused by capitalism. we don't need as many people doing as many jobs as we do now. in fact, we've run out of meaningless jobs for people to do and that's why people are starving. even if you're a lazy bum who does nothing, food and shelter should be given to you regardless. otherwise, we are saying, 'either be employed, or starve. if you don't have a purposeless job, you yourself are not worthy of life.'

[thewake]

The way I see it is if you are not willing, but are able, to make production to sustain yourself in a morally responsible manner you don't deserve support from others.
Capitalism isn't the reason people are in "poverty", it's the reason the people in "poverty" today are better off than the wealthy from times past.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:The way I see it is if you are not willing, but are able, to make production to sustain yourself in a morally responsible manner you don't deserve support from others.

That seems to be somewhat rare though, the whole "morally responsible" thing. How many jobs actually cater to morally responsible people? How many would rather hire someone who's willing to screw over as many people as possible in order to extract money from them? I'm honestly not surprised people don't want to work. Useful jobs are hard to find.

[thewake]

Most jobs are morally responsible. I mean, what's wrong with being a store clerk or a factory worker?
And I really only think the greediest immoral people want to screw people over, you should just have little more good faith in people.

I also think any job that gives general productivity to the company, commune, or whatever you work for is a useful job.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:Most jobs are morally responsible. I mean, what's wrong with being a store clerk or a factory worker?

It's fine as long as you're not me who always looks at the bigger picture and asks things like "is the store doing good for people or is it ripping them off?" "is the factory making anything useful, not just crap that nobody needs?"

[thewake]

Wolf on Mescaline Wrote:Not if it's at mutha fuckin' Wal-Mart.

Why so?

Wolf on Mescaline Wrote:I don't think so. I believe most people are out to profit themselves, granted most people won't launder millions of dollars, but many will slip a couple dollars to themselves every now and then knowing full well that it will screw another person out of those few dollars. I've done it myself. I also find it very difficult to trust people, let alone have faith in them.

That's stealing, it happens in all forms of economic systems.

SoulRiser Wrote:It's fine as long as you're not me who always looks at the bigger picture and asks things like "is the store doing good for people or is it ripping them off?" "is the factory making anything useful, not just crap that nobody needs?"

People choose to spend their money however they they want. It's their money to buy from people who charge outrageous prices or buy things they don't need(and I classify that as any luxury, by the way).

[SoulRiser]

Quote:People choose to spend their money however they they want. It's their money to buy from people who charge outrageous prices or buy things they don't need(and I classify that as any luxury, by the way).

Yes, and I don't want to support any company who charges outrageous prices or provides unnecessary things in exchange for money. I want to do something more useful. I simply cannot motivate myself to do something just for money... I've tried. It doesn't work. I need a purpose behind what I'm doing.

[youvebeenthunderstruck]

Weswammy Wrote:People choose to spend their money however they they want. It's their money to buy from people who charge outrageous prices or buy things they don't need(and I classify that as any luxury, by the way).

Yeah, true. But wait - what about poor people? People who get crushed by monopolies? That's right, everybody has the same chance as everybody else, right? WRONG.

[thewake]

Wolf on Mescaline Wrote:SoulRiser pretty much elaborated on that. Wal-Mart's a piece of fucking shit. JibJab explained it rather well too, in a satirical sense, of course.

Just about any corporation/conglomerate is made of fucking fail and fucking lose. Support your local farmers/markets. They make it nearly impossible for any smaller businesses to flourish, because of their ridiculously low prices on a bunch of bullshit since they export their labor to foreign countries.

A)It's their choice to export their labor and it's our choice to buy from them.
B)IF you want to bring the labor back in, abolish the minimum wage laws.

youvebeenthunderstruck Wrote:Yeah, true. But wait - what about poor people? People who get crushed by monopolies? That's right, everybody has the same chance as everybody else, right? WRONG.

The monopolies aren't really monopolies. There are always at least two of everything around here. There's more than one cola company, super market, etc. At least in the universe where I live.
And the reason people don't have those chances is government interference in the generally good Capitalist system and the prejudices of society getting people down.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:A)It's their choice to export their labor and it's our choice to buy from them.

And advertising misleads most people into conveniently forgetting the alternatives because they can't afford to advertise as much as the big boys.

[thewake]

Our local cable company has local ads inserted into the big time channels.
Most local cable companies do.

Not to mention:
Newspaper ads
Billboards
Word of mouth is effective
Etc.

I also don't like big companies like Wal-Mart as much. I'd rather go to the local GameStop to buy my video games and the super market to buy food. Superstores like Wal-Mart are too big, and if they keep getting bigger people might actually stop going there.

[youvebeenthunderstruck]

I hope you realize that the supermarkets aren't a shining example of humanity either.

[thewake]

We raise a cow and have it slaughtered ourselves.
We have a garden.
Whenever she can mom will go to the farmer's market or the local produce market.

And we go to the locally owned supermarket too. It's a local chain that isn't much more widespread than this state.
I even Googled it to make sure: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Houchens+Market

Of course sometimes we go to Wal-Mart anyway if it's the closest place or something.

[.xstrike-anywherex.]

I am strongly against gun control and believe it only causes criminals to have guns while leaving everyone else unarmed. Yes I am anti-violent, but there is something very wrong with the government telling me what I can and can't possess. Believe me, I'd prefer a world without guns. But since they exist, I say it is not very wise to leave the cops and criminals as the only ones with them.