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evolution OR creation?

i was reading the 'Irrelevancy' forum and i came up with this question:

Creation or evolution. Why does it have to be or?

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Re: evolution OR creation?

wyldstryke Wrote:i was reading the 'Irrelevancy' forum and i came up with this question:

Creation or evolution. Why does it have to be or?
what do you mean

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well, why cant the theories of creation and evolution both be true?

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wyldstryke Wrote:well, why cant the theories of creation and evolution both be true?
there is something like that it's called intelligent design.basiclly it says there was an intelligent designer
i'm not for sure,but i think by intelligent designer it means there was some one with either technology
or powers(as in like the powers that god,allah,yaweh or any other god has)that started evolution
as in laying out the pieces of the puzzle,and then either they let evolution take it's course or they helped evolution
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right. thats seems more logical then an either/or arguement. sortof like a god created monkeys, and then placed them somewhere that, in order to continue to existing, they had to adapt to whatever needed adapting to.

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It has to be either/or because, if we're talking about teaching it in school, because only one is scientifically backed.
We have no evidence that says god created monkeys and we evolved.
Not to mention both of those ideas are complete theories.
"God created us"
"We evolved from these primates and they evolved from these and they evolved from these"
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I always saw it like this:

God spontaneously created the very first cell from nothing.

Then oversaw the evolution of things, occasionally causing extinction when he wanted to "start over".

Hence, God created everything, but evolution is correct too.


I'm not really much of a Christian anymore, but that's what I thought made the most sense.
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When an artist makes a painting they might first make a sketch then a background then whatever i don't know i have never painted. My point is what if god was like an artist and the first cell was like a canvass and evolution was his paint brush?

Buy yea i totally agree with wildstryke no it doesn't have to be "or" these religious nuts should learn that it can be "and" creation AND evolution.
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Quote:It has to be either/or because, if we're talking about teaching it in school, because only one is scientifically backed.

Not everything in school is scientifically backed anyway, so why not include other unproven theories?

And yeah, as far as I'm concerned, it was likely some combination of both. I mean, evolution explained how things evolved, but it didn't explain how that original thing got there so that they had something to evolve from in the first place.

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Then where did god come from?
Yes, let's answer a difficult question with an impossible answer, brilliant.
So all powerful gods can pop into existance without a creator, but a single cell can't?
I find that a bit hard to swallow.

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i say evolution, the idea that there is a onimpotent being watching us is impossable for one,because something has to be ether energy or matter, and there has nether been energy or matter so far proving the ezistent's of god, also if you look at certan people you see chimp like features to there faces/bodys( my relatives lol), same witht here habbits of screaming, i mean jsut watch a little kid in a toy store then watch a chimp freak out. but those are the weak facts i use to win a debate over a creatonist. it all boils down to intelegence fo the people. if you think that evry gap in evoloutin needs to be filled in by "god' then you are dim, evolution is the only therory backed by science to date( at least to my knowlage, may be wrong) and it should be tought as fact,creation shoudl be tought in phlisophy class, not science class. many people say "well in the bible it says this and that seems to sound like this" i e circle of the earth ect, but those are verry loose, and dont forget that the bible is written by people who thought the earth was flat. Smile

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We know that evolution happens. We know that going back in our biological history would result in one original lifeform. But we don't know how that lifeform was created. We know that certain chemicals combine to create amino acids thus proteins. But we don't know how the proteins got into the very unlikely arrangement of a blob of stuff that could clone itself and take in nutrients from the environment. If I believed in the Abrahamic God that created the Earth, I would say that it is more likely that God created that blob rather than it spontaneously appeared. But since I don't believe in that particular God, I'm stuck with very low odds.

Bear in mind that low odds do not equal "cannot happen". Due to the size and variation of the universe, chances are that such an arrangement of proteins would happen somewhere.
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I read an article once about some scientists making these gooey,plasma like, semi-organic blob things that could make simple comunications with electricity and absorb nutrients, not unlike a primitive ameoba.
They think that with a little luck these could be created en mass in the eletrical storms during a planets formation.
it was something like that.

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Quote:Not everything in school is scientifically backed anyway, so why not include other unproven theories?
Umm... maybe not in your schools. I'm very happy to come from a school system that is completely anti-book banning/censoring and anti-abstinance only education. (My point being they're very liberal and nazi about having all the correct information in their schools)
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Me? I don't GIVE A FUCK about creationism or evolution. It's called "No one gives a damn about how you were created, because either fucking way, you were created, because that's that."
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Lots of things come from studying the past. For one it's interesting, and two we can accomplish a shit load of biological things if we know our evolutional history. Like.... firguring out a cure for AIDS? (Example: The bubonic plague and HIV are similair because when the body sends white blood cells to attack it, it takes them as a host, and then completely fucks the immune system from there. And then there were lots of people that didn't get infected with the bubonic plague even thought whole households we locked away if one member had the severely contagious disease. And also lots of people got the virus and then recovered. So if we take 1 + 1 and figure out the answer we could have a cure for new modern disasterous disease)

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All the biological stuff inside us is still the same no matter how we originated though. I think it'd be easier to study that than somehow manage to prove once and for all where we came from.

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