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Why I am against abortion
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This is one of the very few topics I am not 100% on.

But I am pro-choice.

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Quote:Even something like murder is a matter of point of view, you cna't apply a universal standard.

Well, if you can give me an example of when murder is ever right... then you can say that again Razz
"murder", as in, premeditated killing of a person.
I can understand that some people being dead would have positive results for a lot of other people in the world, but that still doesn't mean it's right to kill them... even if everyone's happy when they're dead. Sort of like "wrong but necessary"... sometimes.

Which is similar in the case of abortion... sometimes. If you don't want a baby, just don't friggin get pregnant. Now, if it happens by some freak accident, like rape, or 3 different contraceptives all failing on you at the same time, then you have a case. In most other cases I won't have a whole lot of sympathy though.

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Re: Why I am against abortion

I don't believe in abortions, but sometime's there is circumstances that are too horrible to mention and to deal with. Say a young woman, went out ona saturday night, got completely wasted and ended up pregnant.

She did the crime and now can do the time

Say a woman is walking back from her work, on the way home she is grabbed and raped. She too becomes pregnant.

That is when I think abortions should be considered, if there is no chance of survival for the baby or the mother due to health reasons. Somehow, I doubt any rape victim could keep the baby but there is some that do. It takes guts.

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Re: Why I am against abortion

ive thought about this a little. And ive come up with a fe solutions. I am both. You seee, if i was a victim of rape, and i were pregnant, i dont think that i would be able to live with that in my life, and not for my sake, for the childs sake, what kind of mother would i be? i would be terrible. Although htere is adoption and what-not, i just dont think i would be abl to go through with that.

Although if i found out that i were pregnant in the weeks of 6-8 of pregnancy, then i think it would be ok to have an abortion because the baby wouldnt have developed much, it might only be the size of my thumb, (although i am not too sure of this)

i could go on forever about the different situations, but i guess for me, it depends on the circumstance.

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I'm pro-choice all the way. A woman's body is her own damn business.
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Quote:A woman's body is her own damn business.

Agreed.

But a baby is a seperate human that grows inside a woman, which is attached and dependant on her for life until its born. It's not part of her body.

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SoulRiser Wrote:
Quote:A woman's body is her own damn business.

Agreed.

But a baby is a seperate human that grows inside a woman, which is attached and dependant on her for life until its born. It's not part of her body.
True, but I still believe that a woman has the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. Besides, if you're against abortions, fine, don't have them, that doesn't mean you have to force your ideas of what's right and wrong on to others.
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Sure, she can choose. I don't think people who have abortions should be put in jail or whatever, it's not like they're going to kill other people (well, not likely anyway)... I just don't get how people can believe it's "part" of her body. It's more comparable to a parasite than it is to a body part... even if that sounds a bit weird. Laugh

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SoulRiser Wrote:Sure, she can choose. I don't think people who have abortions should be put in jail or whatever, it's not like they're going to kill other people (well, not likely anyway)... I just don't get how people can believe it's "part" of her body. It's more comparable to a parasite than it is to a body part... even if that sounds a bit weird. Laugh
Huh, never thought of that, so fetus' are parasites. Laugh
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therenagadeoffunk Wrote:hm, itneresting, but anythign in democrecy and be used to get support, wether the electee is a scumbag or not, im pro abortion,keeps pop down till we can find a food source to feed whole world, supply's stem cells, but i think it should be regulated better than it is,to use them in the stage while there are still stem cells in it,jsut because its heart beats dosent mean its capable of the usua; human thoughts. but when people used faith baist legisation is pisses me off, seperation of curch and state peple.

Unfortunately this is the propoganda they want you to believe. In 1968, it was predicted there would be world famine, but with genetic engineering Norman Borlaug managed to save 1, more than likely 2 billion lives through his study of genetic engineering. We can feed people. In fact, where there seems to be the most trouble with feeding people is in areas with the lowest population densities, not the highest.

As far as resources go, technology will continue to allow us to expand. The biggest threat to our safety is us, not "depleting" resources.

Genetic engernering does some weird shit to our food.

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How do people know the child would always want to be born? If I was going to be born severely deformed or damaged, or born to a crack addict mother, yeah I'd definitely hope for her to abort me before I breathe conscious air.

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You don't know if a child wants or doesn't want to be born, you just look at the mental and physical condition that the child will grow up in (parents/environment etc) and there the bearer of the child can decide what to do, which is also wiser than just aborting a pregnancy because you know that's what people do when they are unwillingly or unknowingly having a child. Sometimes, perhaps, the mother finds that raising a child (or just giving birth and then adopting it) is the better solution for both parties.
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--monkey666-- Wrote:Genetic engernering does some weird shit to our food.
"Frankenfood" is nonsense. Most genetic engineering is meant for places with low population densities with scarce food due to a lack of good agricultural conditions, such as subsaharan african countries. Dry-reistant wheat via genetic engineering is perfectly find: it's still natural, and serves a good purpose and theres nothing wrong to it.

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.xstrike-anywherex. Wrote:How do people know the child would always want to be born? If I was going to be born severely deformed or damaged, or born to a crack addict mother, yeah I'd definitely hope for her to abort me before I breathe conscious air.
I don't know dude, my sister seems pretty fine with down syndrome, and most children of crack addicts do OK later in life. It's tougher for them, but it doesn't justify pre-termination nessecarily.

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i hate it when anti abortionists call them selves "pro life", it makes people that have the opposite opinion about the topic seem "pro murder".....and i cant beleve how many "pro life" bumber stickers ive seen down here since i moved, damn catholics

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Well "pro-life" sounds a lot better than "anti-choice" and "pro-choice" sounds a lot better than "anti-life". It's just a strategy both sides use to make their side sound more appealing...neither word is completely accurate.
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I think the only women who should be allowed to have abortions are women who were raped and got pregnant, otherwise it's half their fault for getting pregnant. I just think this way because my mom had a lot of trouble getting pregnant (she had six miscarriages before I was born). So there are plenty of women out there who could only dream of being pregnant and having a child, and it's not fair that other women are out there getting pregnant, then killing it. It just doesn't seem right to me.

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ACEofLONELYHEARTS Wrote:I think the only women who should be allowed to have abortions are women who were raped and got pregnant, otherwise it's half their fault for getting pregnant. I just think this way because my mom had a lot of trouble getting pregnant (she had six miscarriages before I was born). So there are plenty of women out there who could only dream of being pregnant and having a child, and it's not fair that other women are out there getting pregnant, then killing it. It just doesn't seem right to me.
It doesn't have much to do with whether or not it's the woman's "fault"; it has to do with the personhood or lack thereof of the fetus. If a fetus can be properly considered to be a person, then the woman should consider that even if she is raped. If it cannot, the only relevant part of the situation is whether or not the woman wants to have an abortion.

I should say that even if I thought abortion were definitely immoral, I wouldn't think it should be made illegal. While I think I wouldn't have an abortion if I were raped, it seems fairly cruel to force a woman to carry the child. There are always cases where it's ambiguous whether, considering both the mother and the child, having an abortion would be more harmful than not having an abortion. Even if the law takes into account many different situations, one can't really expect the legal choice to be the moral choice in every situation.

Also, I think that the "it's her own fault" argument usually relies on the assumption that the woman shouldn't be having sex in the first place.

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I don't think a fetus is a human being, but a human being in the making. If someone doesn't feel like raising a child they should be allowed to terminate the process of development. It's no different than killing sperm or an egg. People act like a fetus is a promising young lad with great ambitions, yet to live life.

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