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Why I am against abortion

Revise: I'm against abortion, for killing babies.
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hm, itneresting, but anythign in democrecy and be used to get support, wether the electee is a scumbag or not, im pro abortion,keeps pop down till we can find a food source to feed whole world, supply's stem cells, but i think it should be regulated better than it is,to use them in the stage while there are still stem cells in it,jsut because its heart beats dosent mean its capable of the usua; human thoughts. but when people used faith baist legisation is pisses me off, seperation of curch and state peple.

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Quite right, old chap.
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therenagadeoffunk Wrote:hm, itneresting, but anythign in democrecy and be used to get support, wether the electee is a scumbag or not, im pro abortion,keeps pop down till we can find a food source to feed whole world, supply's stem cells, but i think it should be regulated better than it is,to use them in the stage while there are still stem cells in it,jsut because its heart beats dosent mean its capable of the usua; human thoughts. but when people used faith baist legisation is pisses me off, seperation of curch and state peple.

Unfortunately this is the propoganda they want you to believe. In 1968, it was predicted there would be world famine, but with genetic engineering Norman Borlaug managed to save 1, more than likely 2 billion lives through his study of genetic engineering. We can feed people. In fact, where there seems to be the most trouble with feeding people is in areas with the lowest population densities, not the highest.

As far as resources go, technology will continue to allow us to expand. The biggest threat to our safety is us, not "depleting" resources.
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hm, wel congrats on not bowing down to dogma

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What's wrong with eugenics?
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Kirby Wrote:What's wrong with eugenics?

Theres nothing wrong with eugenics in theory...obviously its a word too associated with Hitler though, so I used that point to my advantage.
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In other words, it's a red herring.
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It is the mother's choice. Not the government . And usually for different reasons than eugenics.

But that also raises a question. If eugenics were done without government force, is it necessarily immoral?

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Captain Ahab Wrote:
Kirby Wrote:What's wrong with eugenics?

Theres nothing wrong with eugenics in theory...obviously its a word too associated with Hitler though, so I used that point to my advantage.

Well just because certain fascists have an ideology doesn't mean we should automatically associate the ideology with evil. Hitler was also against smoking. Should we all just light up because of that?

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.xstrike-anywherex. Wrote:It is the mother's choice. Not the government . And usually for different reasons than eugenics.

But that also raises a question. If eugenics were done without government force, is it necessarily immoral?

Yeah, the choice of the mother, not the child. They might not be thinking of getting an abortion because they know the benefits to the evil economy ran by countries not unlike America. Do people who in the past have shown support for totalitarianism go with the intention of benefitting an evil leader? Usually not, but in the long run, its not a good idea.

I would still argue that it doesn't match correctly with the idea of liberty. Again, I don't believe in laws. Murder laws do more harm than good, but at the same time, there does need to be some minimal agreement as to the idea of what is productive and what is counterproductive, at least at a local level, and murder is one of them. Now, if you ask me, taking a pill when the condom busts to make sure you don't have a kid isn't wrong. But there is a cut off point where unborn children should be entitled certain liberties, one of them being their life.

But since I'm crossing the morality line, yes, it's immoral to kill somebody. I think local communities can make democratic agreements regarding how murder should be handled, and that includes if they want to maintain the lack of criminalization on certain degrees of killing. As much of a nihilist (and complete contradiction) I am, I would hope that locally liberty is defended in its utmost, and if you do the math, theres far more potential liberty when you take into account potential life, especially potential life which may shortly be born.
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i'm for abortions because their are teens who are not ready for child and if the child is given up for adoption
it can have a bad life,and it would suck when the child learned who it's real parents were and how it was born.

Telling people to do something without giving a reason compels them to rebel not to obey-Avenger

We need to learn not to be afraid of making mistakes all the time-Avenger

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Good point. I've got no idea on whever I should support it or not. Though it does stop a few kids from having a crappy life in being adopted, that drunk teen should have been more careful.
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I read about this survey once where they asked a lot of kids in an orphanage whether or not they are glad they were born. Apparently, they all said "yes". Even if the beginning of their life might not be so great, they still have their whole life ahead of them to do whatever they want.

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Here's the thing- orphanages are usually cruel places where people don't give a shit about the kids unless one does something that makes them look bad. In such, the kids who get away with bullying the others might be glad to be alive, but the kids being bullied are probably only saying "yes" because they'll be beaten and abused.
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Good point. I've never been to an actual orphanage. That does not sound good Noo

Still, even after being treated like shit for most of your childhood (been there, done that), there's still life beyond it (if you manage to recover from it... that's the hard part).

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I know someone who is called Orphan(only a few people are allowed to call him that). He told me about the things in the orphanage he saw- people getting beaten, toys being broken, and those "guardians" that are always right around the corner ready to beat the shit out of them in the smallest accident. He saw children slip into mental breakdown, he saw children attempt murder, only to be beaten. He saw children attempt suicide, survive and be sent to mental institutions. He saw these things every day until the very day he himself was adopted.
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I seriously don't hope ALL orphanages are like that.... Uhoh

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SoulRiser Wrote:Good point. I've never been to an actual orphanage.

I read that as being 'anal orphanage' Noo
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Oni-Chiisu Wrote:Here's the thing- orphanages are usually cruel places where people don't give a shit about the kids unless one does something that makes them look bad. In such, the kids who get away with bullying the others might be glad to be alive, but the kids being bullied are probably only saying "yes" because they'll be beaten and abused.
How does this justify killing?

You try to paint it as if all orphanages are that way. In many undeveloped countries, unfortunately, it is the case. Economic solutions in which freedom is increased are far more important in increasing the quality of orphanges than abortion or otherwise is.
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Would you prefer your child dying before it lived so it didn't have to experience death, or would you like it to live and be tortured in these so-called nurturing environments.

Yeah, abortion is my choice. I wouldn't be able to bare the thought of my child in an environment like that.
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but in many cases abortion saves a lot of pain for the mother father and child. it should be up to the mother ultimately.

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It seems to me that a lot of people here are

BABY MURDERERS
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Umm, orphanages may be horrible, but my understanding is that new borns are in pretty high demand right now. The kids that end up in orphanages are the ones that their parents either died or gave up on them once they were no longer infants. (In my understanding, mind you)

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Eidolon Wrote:It seems to me that a lot of people here are

BABY MURDERERS

I think you mean Fetus Murderers.
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Cosbydaf Wrote:
Eidolon Wrote:It seems to me that a lot of people here are

BABY MURDERERS

I think you mean Fetus Murderers.

I guess you're right.

It seems to me that a lot of people here are

FETUS MURDERERS
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Just cause it's a fetus doesn't mean it's not murder. It sort of depends on how you define murder.. And it's very sad that there are different opinions on what constitutes murder.

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Eidolon Wrote:
Cosbydaf Wrote:
Eidolon Wrote:It seems to me that a lot of people here are

BABY MURDERERS

I think you mean Fetus Murderers.

I guess you're right.

It seems to me that a lot of people here are

FETUS MURDERERS

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amizon Wrote:Just cause it's a fetus doesn't mean it's not murder. It sort of depends on how you define murder.. And it's very sad that there are different opinions on what constitutes murder.

I think it's murder when animals are victims of vivisection, yet some don't agree. Even something like murder is a matter of point of view, you cna't apply a universal standard.

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Captain Ahab Wrote:But there is a cut off point where unborn children should be entitled certain liberties, one of them being their life.

I agree.
i'm pro-life because I think a fetus IS a baby, a human being that deserves to live. And if that isn't the case, can someone tell me WHEN the fetus becomes a person? If the baby's due the next day, does it count as a person? what about a 7 month fetus? 5 months? 2 month old? I think there is a very thin, or maybe nonexistent, line here. How do you define person?

many of you argue that if the baby is adopted instead, it might live a horrid life. The thing is, a lot of people in this world live hard lives anyways. Should we kill them? often, these people get depressed and try to kill themselves. But I would tell these people that they cant give up on life, even if no one likes them and they have nothing to live for. What they DO have is potential. maybe if they keep living they will cure cancer, or help end world hunger (yes, you could argue they might become the next Hitler too, but still...). The point is, if i wouldn't let someone commit suicide, no matter how hard their circumstances, I wouldn't let someone take another's life for the same reasons. That fetus has a lot of potential and should be allowed to develop that potential.

i know a lot of you will disagree with me, but that's ok too. Everyone's got their own opinion, and this is mine.
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