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Common objections to school

I, myself pro school, have devised some refutations to some critism of school. Tell me what you think of them. Smile


"We don't have a choice of what we learn"

Well, if you'd understand the subjects being taught, you'd realize that these subjects are needed for two things. One: to keep our infrastructure going (Like language, math, science, etc) and two: to make sure our knowledge lasts (Art, history, literature, etc). I'm sorry to say this, but some of your interests aren't gonna keep society running. And these subjects you want won't persevere our history.

Like I said before, whether you guys like it or not, schools help our progress.



"It makes us stupid"

Refer to above.


"It makes us submissive"

Or maybe, schools does these things to help you become better, more respectable people. Oh no! I said it! Smile


"Teachers are boring/frustarting"

Refer to the first reply. Like I said before, not everything can be fun. And they shouldn't put up with your nonsense. We'll all have to grow up one way or another

"When you play, play hard. When you work, don't play at all."

I suggest you guys read 50 rules kids WON't learn in school to see more on this.


Hope you see it my way.
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Re: Common objections to school

Asder Miller Wrote:I, myself pro school, have devised some refutations to some critism of school. Tell me what you think of them. Smile


"We don't have a choice of what we learn"

Well, if you'd understand the subjects being taught, you'd realize that these subjects are needed for two things. One: to keep our infrastructure going (Like language, math, science, etc) and two: to make sure our knowledge lasts (Art, history, literature, etc). I'm sorry to say this, but some of your interests aren't gonna keep society running. And these subjects you want won't persevere our history.

Like I said before, whether you guys like it or not, schools help our progress.

What I don't want to learn about math or history? I should still have a say of what I want to learn.



Asder Miller Wrote:"It makes us stupid"

Refer to above.

Never assumed it did.


Asder Miller Wrote:"It makes us submissive"

Or maybe, schools does these things to help you become better, more respectable people. Oh no! I said it! Smile
Or more submissive. Stop lying to yourself.

Asder Miller Wrote:"Teachers are boring/frustarting"

Refer to the first reply. Like I said before, not everything can be fun. And they shouldn't put up with your nonsense. We'll all have to grow up one way or another

"When you play, play hard. When you work, don't play at all."

Even if the teacher is annoying, boring or doesn't understand someone? You're all for submissiveness aren't you?

I suggest you guys read 50 rules kids WON't learn in school to see more on this.


Asder Miller Wrote:Hope you see it my way.
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my objections:
1) My school requires all students to be at the school for 5 class periods a day, with exceptions for students in running start, nova net, or with work releases.
2) The Two highschools I have attended as a student had 10 hours of community service per year, as a graduation requirement. Thats 40hours of MANDATORY community service. I don't give a shit about my community, they don't offer to mow my lawn for free, so I don't return such offers.
3) The rules of my school have been written by someone whom looks to not even have a highschool diploma or certificate of equal "education." There is a rule in my student handbook that lets teachers take ANYTHING that is not learning related, Jewelry, headphones, toys, pants, etc.
4) I had a teacher complain to me about how its not fair to HER that I am unwilling to do the work in her class, when I have no options to drop her class without picking another equally useless class to take its spot.

edited to add this: I was more mature and willing to accept authority when I was 9. I became an Admin for a clan on Day of Defeat, helped solve issues like a responsible adult would. I had the drive to do well in school even. But after years of being forced to do idiotic assignments and deal with teachers who shouldn't be allowed to instruct anyone, I lost all motivation to preform in school, unless the teacher was good enough to provide good instructions and fun assignments.
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Examples of good things in school to educate students:
1) Having little to no textbook work, use labs(mostly for science classes) to show how something works. Test ideas out to see how each class preforms on assignments and use the one that promotes higher education. My 7th grade science teacher let us talk all we wanted, work in groups, did mostly labs, I got to write an awesome sci-fi paper on what I thought humans would do if the sun was suddenly blocked out/destroyed.

2) Interaction with the class on a non-authority level. My 10th grade history teacher was good at preparing presentations to use to view, take notes from, he joked with kids all the time and made it seem less like a classroom and more fun.

Some bad experiences that I have had are:
1) 4th grade teacher getting miffed at me using basic algebra on our math problems.
2) 5th grade teacher telling me that Horror stories are not acceptable in her classroom.
3)7th grade social studies teacher that lost work you handed directly to her.
4)biology/astronomy teacher that requires you to have EVERYTHING in, and does boring hunt-and-find work in textbooks.
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Asder Miller Wrote:I, myself pro school, have devised some refutations to some critism of school. Tell me what you think of them. Smile

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Fuck that were still gunna destroy it.

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Quote:Well, if you'd understand the subjects being taught, you'd realize that these subjects are needed for two things. One: to keep our infrastructure going (Like language, math, science, etc) and two: to make sure our knowledge lasts (Art, history, literature, etc). I'm sorry to say this, but some of your interests aren't gonna keep society running. And these subjects you want won't persevere our history.
Different people, different interests. If ONE person does not learn ANYTHING whatsoever about math, science, history, whatever, that doesn't mean the "infrastructure" of society is going to fall apart...

You do realize that roughly 90% of people just go through school without complaining and whatnot... so that 90% can do the whole "keep society running" thing, while the remaining 10% of us who are more picky about how we live our own lives can figure out ways to bypass society's bullshit and do whatever we want. It'll take a bit more than that to make society fall apart... and TBH I think if it falls apart it'll be a good thing. Who knows, the "new society" might just be better than this one.

Quote:Or maybe, schools does these things to help you become better, more respectable people. Oh no! I said it!
Submissive people are better and more respectable? Okay, why don't you submit to our authority and adopt our opinions as our own, since you're on our site? Cuckoo

Quote:Like I said before, not everything can be fun. And they shouldn't put up with your nonsense. We'll all have to grow up one way or another
They shouldn't have to put up with us, and neither should we have to put up with them. If school was optional, nobody would have to put up with anybody's nonsense. People who don't want to be there won't be there, and therefore won't cause shit for the ones who do want to be there.

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In other words, shut up slave.

I don't care if shit in school is beneficial to someone or anyone or everyone.

I'm not a slave.

And omg fucktard how much of what you learned in K-12 do you even fucking remember. Almost none of it you idiot, I guaranfuckingtee it. School is supposed to help you, like, get a job or some shit? Who the fuck needs to know shit about shakespeare for their job? Literature teachers. That's it. That's fucking it. Let me teach you how to teach others how to teach others how to teach others how to teach others how to....

Or drop the whole fucking useless cycle.

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Asder Miller Wrote:I, myself pro school, have devised some refutations to some critism of school. Tell me what you think of them. Smile


"We don't have a choice of what we learn"

Well, if you'd understand the subjects being taught, you'd realize that these subjects are needed for two things. One: to keep our infrastructure going (Like language, math, science, etc) and two: to make sure our knowledge lasts (Art, history, literature, etc). I'm sorry to say this, but some of your interests aren't gonna keep society running. And these subjects you want won't persevere our history.

Like I said before, whether you guys like it or not, schools help our progress.

What you fail to realize is that a lot of the stuff we learn we can do without. Sure there are basic skills everyone can use, but not all of that is taught in school. How the hell is reading Walt Whitman or Emily Dickinson necessary for my advancement? Am I majoring in lit, than no, I don't need it. Same thing applies for the numerous other textbook classes and pointless assignments that I've had to complete. You're just memorizing facts so you can get the correct answer on a test. Outside of the facility, it's teaching me NOTHING! And if it is teaching me "critical thinking", "personal enrichment" or some other bullshit. I can probably learn that from actually doing something I'm interested in.

You're also forgetting that not everyone is the same. What could be one person's strength is another persons weakness. You don't have to be good at everything and shouldn't have to be. Just find your stength and go with it.

Quote:"It makes us stupid"

Refer to above.

Eh, I don't know if it makes us stupid as you can learn some useful things in school, but as I said above, a lot of it is unnecessary.

Quote:"It makes us submissive"

Or maybe, schools does these things to help you become better, more respectable people. Oh no! I said it! Smile

How? By following pointless rules just to prepare us to follow what ever bullshit our bosses throw at us? There are so rules schools have that the only defense I've heard from them is to "prepare us for the real world". In other words, indoctrination. I shouldn't have to ask for teachers permission to use the bathroom or get a drink of water.


Quote:"Teachers are boring/frustarting"

Refer to the first reply. Like I said before, not everything can be fun. And they shouldn't put up with your nonsense. We'll all have to grow up one way or another

"When you play, play hard. When you work, don't play at all."

It doesn't HAVE to be this way. Learning and even working can be interesting as I've had some college courses that actually made it enjoyable to learn without the tedium of textbooks and lectures. I got a lot more out of those courses than I ever did from textbooks.

Quote:I suggest you guys read 50 rules kids WON't learn in school to see more on this.
Hope you see it my way.
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Oh I read that load of condescending bullshit and refuted it in this thread.

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Derchin Wrote:Why the hell are you even on an ANTI-SCHOOL forum in the first place? Hmmm...... Cuckoo

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What makes you think this guy is a troll? Sure, he's full of shit, but it's nice to be able to debate the proschool crowd every once in a while.

Just because you have a different view from the norm on a forum doesn't make you a troll.
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AngryCollegeDude Wrote:What makes you think this guy is a troll? Sure, he's full of shit, but it's nice to be able to debate the proschool crowd every once in a while.

Just because you have a different view from the norm on a forum doesn't make you a troll.
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Asder Miller Wrote:I shouldn't have to ask for teachers permission to use the bathroom or get a drink of water.
How come? You're distracting the class if you get up without permission. And you might do something stupid, like go to another classroom or leave school entirely.
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Asder Miller Wrote:I shouldn't have to ask for teachers permission to use the bathroom or get a drink of water.
How come? You're distracting the class if you get up without permission. And you might do something stupid, like go to another classroom or leave school entirely.
Noo

Stupid? Leaving the school is stupid? Do you really think that a student who's extremely bored and really doesn't want to be there is lacking intelligence because he's getting the fuck out of that place? Ans if you ask for permission it distracts the class even more, because you have to talk to the teacher and waste their time. Why can't you just get up and go do what you have to. Your answer is completely illogic.

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Yeah, those couple of seconds where a kid gets up to go to the bathroom is really going to distract from class time. Rolleyes Almost as much of a distraction as it would be if the kid asked for permission!

I have ADHD and I still wouldn't get that distracted from a kid getting up to leave (not enough to think they should be forced to stay in their seats). Some teachers have a bug up their ass about kids leaving. And even when you do ask, I have been told no before.

Come on, it's MY right to go to bathroom or get a drink of water. Just because I might "do something stupid" does not justify them restraining me. That's saying "We don't trust you to do what's best for yourself so we're going to control you and take away your rights". And yes, it does only affect myself. The exception being a lawsuit IF the kid tries to leave school and something happens, but that's WCS, and not worth the amount of control freak douchebaggery that goes on in schools.
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Asder Miller Wrote:I shouldn't have to ask for teachers permission to use the bathroom or get a drink of water.
How come? You're distracting the class if you get up without permission.
It's just as distracting as getting permission and then leaving the room.
Quote:And you might do something stupid, like go to another classroom or leave school entirely.
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I've always found the teacher's yelling waaay more distracting than the students' "misbehaving".

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AngryCollegeDude Wrote:What makes you think this guy is a troll? Sure, he's full of shit, but it's nice to be able to debate the proschool crowd every once in a while.

Just because you have a different view from the norm on a forum doesn't make you a troll.
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Asder Miller Wrote:I shouldn't have to ask for teachers permission to use the bathroom or get a drink of water.
How come? You're distracting the class if you get up without permission. And you might do something stupid, like go to another classroom or leave school entirely.
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How come you can't just get up and let the teacher know where your going? Cuckoo

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Also, when you ask the teacher it distracts the class, and she has to stop teaching. If you just get up and leave, it's NOT a distraction.

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You don't ask for permission or even tell the teacher where you're going in college. You can leave the classroom and never come back and it doesn't bother anyone or anything. You can go in another classroom if you get consent of the teacher who is teaching in the room you want to go in. If it's an empty unlocked room, you can just go in.

Absentinsomniac Wrote:Also, when you ask the teacher it distracts the class, and she has to stop teaching. If you just get up and leave, it's NOT a distraction.

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Derchin Wrote:How come you can't just get up and let the teacher know where your going? Cuckoo
Ha, like in Mean Girls when she just quietly gets up to go to the bathroom and she's totally confused when the teacher yells at her.

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Myself and the guy with 30. Freakin'. Posts. Are the only two people on the forums smart enough to just ignore the troll or heartlessly make fun of them.


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