Anarchy

[Darthmat]

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economic ... .htm#part1

[.xstrike-anywherex.]

"A rational anarchist believes that concepts, such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame... as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world... aware that his efforts will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure."
- Robert A. Heinlein

I am simply an anarchist within my mind. I live an existentialist, individualist life. I don't recognize authority or power as real, just the compromises people make, and I make compromises just like everyone else. The establishment is omnipresent, there's no getting around it, no way to totally not participate within it. But you have control, you can still fight for what you want, and you can take hold of that power and transcend it into freedom.

The governments of the world are going nowhere. A rational anarchist movement does not attack the system from the outside, it grows within the system, fighting for the individual needs in any way it can.

No matter who your enemy is, you wouldn't refuse to take the guns they hand to you, would you? This is all there is to anarchism, a personal struggle without a final solution, not a movement that will reshape the world or society.

[thewake]

Quote:This is all there is to anarchism, a personal struggle without a final solution, not a movement that will reshape the world or society.

I think it could reshape the world. I mean, what is anarchy but the absence of the State?
Look at the world and tell me how much of the land is in State control. All of it. So yes, I believe it could be a movement that could change the world.

It's and ideology, it's a personal struggle too, and it's a global movement fragmented but very well kept alive. It could change the world and it will someday. It's time will come, maybe a thousand generations down the line, but it's time will come. It's a struggle of all mankind, believe it.

[.xstrike-anywherex.]

Weswammy Wrote:

Quote:This is all there is to anarchism, a personal struggle without a final solution, not a movement that will reshape the world or society.

I think it could reshape the world. I mean, what is anarchy but the absence of the State?
Look at the world and tell me how much of the land is in State control. All of it. So yes, I believe it could be a movement that could change the world.

It's and ideology, it's a personal struggle too, and it's a global movement fragmented but very well kept alive. It could change the world and it will someday. It's time will come, maybe a thousand generations down the line, but it's time will come. It's a struggle of all mankind, believe it.

The "state" is a fictional idea created by you and billions of others to justify our constant compromises with and sacrifices to people we neither respect or believe are above us.

[thewake]

If it's fictional tell me how our everyday lives are affected by it. Tell me how something fictional can wage wars and steal our money.

The State is a group of people, it's a very real organization.

[Guest]

It is fictional, just like any organization. Anarchy is the fight against the belief that the state is necessary.

[thewake]

I would beg to differ that organizations aren't fictional, but that's beside the point.

And anarchy isn't necessarily a fight against the State, just the believe that the State is stupid and dumb.

[OmegaWolf747]

The state exists because the haves use their money and power to drive the have-nots into subjugation.

[MiNi]

Anarchy. Doesn't. Work. People are naturally evil. What's stopping a crowd from killing me because I didn't celebrate Crazy Hat Day?

[i-am-the-liquor]

i live like there is no government, i do what i want to when i can.

[Rebelnerd]

MiNi Wrote:Anarchy. Doesn't. Work. People are naturally evil. What's stopping a crowd from killing me because I didn't celebrate Crazy Hat Day?

what's stopping a president from sending you to prison for not celeblrating Crazy Hat Day? at least in anarchy the Hat Mob starts out small enough for the others to have a fighting chance of stopping them before it gets to that point. on the other hand, a king, dictator, president, or emporer who happens to be a fanatic about CHD inherits a whole fucking army when he gets the office.

[thewake]

There will probably be armies in Anarchy. It'll take a hell of an army to get anarchy and sure as heck there will still be some. They'll probably break down into Militias though and soon we'd have some sort of desirable form of order inherent in anarchy.

Or the army we create will stay big and the world will be under a military dictatorship. Sucks to be human I guess.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:People are naturally evil.

No, they're just naturally ignorant. They do evil things because they don't know how to do better. Someone has to show/teach them, and very few people are currently doing a good job of that.

[Ahab]

I dig the idea of mutual aid, but ultimately I think mutual aid is a disaster waiting to happen if its not manipulated to the advantage of the people. Same goes for some free market ideas. You want the incentive of profit, no doubt, but the incentive of profit should be something on a more local business oriented level, not mass corporations which have people hired to keep the working class down and doing some sort of set task that doesnt go with their desired working conditions. As for mutual aid, simply put, a person is not a property owner. A person is a person. However, you have to take into consideration the fact that private charity in itself can be something of slavery if it is coerced, and if somebody doesnt want to participate in mutual aid that gets sucked into it by some sort of majority vote doesn't really have that individual freedom I want to see in an ideal anarchist society. When all said and done, anarchy is going to take a long time, and by the time that minds are changed enough, there should be enough people who commit to mutual aid that its not an issue. After all, mutual aid is mutual for a reason.

[Guest]

People are naturally compassionate, hateful, neutral, murderous, ethical, philosophical, mundane, nihilist, spiritual, worried, carefree, altruistic, hedonistic, intelligent, stupid, wise, impulsive, balanced, anarchic, stable, insane, sexual, chaste, good, and of course evil. But it all depends on the situation.

[youvebeenthunderstruck]

Then that wouldn't be "naturally" by definition.

[Liquid]

Kirby Wrote:People are naturally compassionate, hateful, neutral, murderous, ethical, philosophical, mundane, nihilist, spiritual, worried, carefree, altruistic, hedonistic, intelligent, stupid, wise, impulsive, balanced, anarchic, stable, insane, sexual, chaste, good, and of course evil. But it all depends on the situation.

I've got to aggree with Kirby on this one... human nature is human nature...

[SoulRiser]

I think most of the negative aspects of human "nature" are learned from circumstances, and happen because we have this instinct to defend ourselves, which gets a bit irrational and silly when we aren't really being threatened, but we think we are.

... That made no sense, right?