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justice and greed

Is there really justice in the world?

everything is unfair because of peopels greed for there own benifit. If we gave a little and lived fairly we would have the perfect world and we would all gane what we had back and more. Im not talking about the cheep ass way thing the goverment calls justice. In the world some ones always steped on. lets say theres a murder trial. and the murderer gets a life sentence. everyone thinks all is good and done but what about the murderer? did he ever get equal opertunitys in life no. he had a cause to kill someone because everyone in the world wants everything for there self, and will do whatever it takes. It wasent his fault that someone had pushed him over edge. because maybe if the person he had a problem with would just give a little the murder would never happen. My point is the world is ran by greed someone will always win. and if we just let go our greed there would be no wars and no powers.

But why cant we stop our need to be better then the other and have it all?

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Re: justice and greed

--monkey666-- Wrote:Is there really justice in the world?

everything is unfair because of peopels greed for there own benifit. If we gave a little and lived fairly we would have the perfect world and we would all gane what we had back and more.

Seems like you answered your own question here...and I would agree, the world is definitely unjust.

--monkey666-- Wrote:But why cant we stop our need to be better then the other and have it all?

maybe this is just human nature? Being greedy is a lot easier than being generous, and people like to take the easier way out.
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Re: justice and greed

You have a point, when your an authority you can just go with greed and take the easyway out
I guess since were so consumed in our greed we cant even trust echouther and be generous even that being generous would give you and the world more then greed could ever give.

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I don't think humans have a hard time being generous, there are lots of people donating money (even though I think the money doesn't always arrive) and many rich people have given away their whole fortune because they felt it gave them nothing. But I guess one answer is: Why be generous when you can have more?
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So you think murders should be able to walk the streets?
Listen noob, there are sick demented people pout there who will kill people for no reason. There are people out there who have killed random people they didn't even know!

And yes, the world is unjust. But I don't see how stating nearly unchangeable aspects of human nature will solve anything. We need to work around these obstacles for a better world and not grovel in self pity.

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Quote:So you think murders should be able to walk the streets?
Listen noob, there are sick demented people pout there who will kill people for no reason. There are people out there who have killed random people they didn't even know!

And these people need help, not to be treated like shit for the rest of their lives. Actually, even the people who murder for a better "reason" need help, because something pushed them to that point in the first place. So I think humanity would improve a lot if we got rid of prison completely and replaced it with mental hospitals (for the really demented ones), and supportive helpful places (whatever that'd be called) for everyone else. People need to understand why what they did was wrong, not just be punished for it. That might make a few vengeful people feel better, but it doesn't solve jacksquat.

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As long as they never get to walk the streets and have a chance to do it again I am all for it.
Nobody who kills another for anything except self defense should be able to be in society. It's not worth the risk to people who haven't done those things.

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Quote:Nobody who kills another for anything except self defense should be able to be in society.

What about accidents? And what about people who are genuinely sorry for what they did? (Yeah, I know, it's hard to tell for sure, but still).

But I agree with the original post. Most of this could be avoided if people were less selfish.

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I think I can answer this.

Because people are scared. Then they have children. They then teach their children that their are thieves, murderers and people that offer them free candy when really they just want to kidnap them. So the kids become scared. The fear consumes the kids. Now this is the funny part (well not really). These kids that are scared, sometimes end up so scared, they become thieves and murderers. This creates an endless cycle of fear.

You can replace fear in that paragraph with a lot of words. The real root comes from change. It's a fear that applies to everything. People are scared of change, of the unknown. They're are scared of losing what they have, scared someone will come and take it away. They don't seem to realise they don't own it to begin with.

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Quote:These kids that are scared, sometimes end up so scared, they become thieves and murderers. This creates an endless cycle of fear.

You mean like with gangs and stuff?

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--monkey666-- Wrote:Is there really justice in the world?

Sometimes.

Quote:everything is unfair because of peopels greed for there own benifit. If we gave a little and lived fairly we would have the perfect world and we would all gane what we had back and more. Im not talking about the cheep ass way thing the goverment calls justice. In the world some ones always steped on. lets say theres a murder trial. and the murderer gets a life sentence. everyone thinks all is good and done but what about the murderer? did he ever get equal opertunitys in life no. he had a cause to kill someone because everyone in the world wants everything for there self, and will do whatever it takes. It wasent his fault that someone had pushed him over edge. because maybe if the person he had a problem with would just give a little the murder would never happen. My point is the world is ran by greed someone will always win. and if we just let go our greed there would be no wars and no powers.

Easier said than done. And even if we got rid of greed, we'd still have some problems left.

Quote:But why cant we stop our need to be better then the other and have it all?

If we get rid of all those with that competitive spirit & greed, and make a species of robots and humans, yeah.

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SoulRiser Wrote:
Quote:These kids that are scared, sometimes end up so scared, they become thieves and murderers. This creates an endless cycle of fear.

You mean like with gangs and stuff?
Those too.

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NiteRaidah Wrote:
Quote:But why cant we stop our need to be better then the other and have it all?

If we get rid of all those with that competitive spirit & greed, and make a species of robots and humans, yeah.
we don't need to get rid of greed but rather control it and channel it in a good thing

Telling people to do something without giving a reason compels them to rebel not to obey-Avenger

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NiteRaidah Wrote:
Quote:But why cant we stop our need to be better then the other and have it all?

If we get rid of all those with that competitive spirit & greed, and make a species of robots and humans, yeah.
we don't need to get rid of greed but rather control it and channel it in a good thing

You caught the sarcasm there, right?

Other than that, I agree with you.

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