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Birth... (if you could choose, would you have been born?)
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(11-15-2011 03:24 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  No, I wish I had never been born, because now that I'm here there are things I like too much to allow me to kill myself.

Yeah plus living can be a pain in the ass.

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(11-15-2011 04:57 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  
(11-15-2011 03:24 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  No, I wish I had never been born, because now that I'm here there are things I like too much to allow me to kill myself.

Yeah plus living can be a pain in the ass.

Living is a complete pain in the ass. I'm so tired of being told to 'just deal with it'.
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RE: Birth... (if you could choose, would you have been born?)

I don't know what it's like to not exist, so I'll pass judgement on it and say yes, I'd rather be born.

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(11-15-2011 05:41 AM)Elfy Wrote:  I don't know what it's like to not exist, so I'll pass judgement on it and say yes, I'd rather be born.

Death is like before you were born. It's not blackness and no feelings, it's simply nothing. You aren't aware that you don't exist, because you don't exist. And think about it, if you hadn't been born, you wouldn't know about existing anyway.
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(11-15-2011 05:49 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  
(11-15-2011 05:41 AM)Elfy Wrote:  I don't know what it's like to not exist, so I'll pass judgement on it and say yes, I'd rather be born.

Death is like before you were born. It's not blackness and no feelings, it's simply nothing. You aren't aware that you don't exist, because you don't exist. And think about it, if you hadn't been born, you wouldn't know about existing anyway.

Is death really like before you were born? How can you be 100% sure? We have no conclusive empircal evidence.

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(11-15-2011 06:01 AM)Elfy Wrote:  
(11-15-2011 05:49 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  
(11-15-2011 05:41 AM)Elfy Wrote:  I don't know what it's like to not exist, so I'll pass judgement on it and say yes, I'd rather be born.

Death is like before you were born. It's not blackness and no feelings, it's simply nothing. You aren't aware that you don't exist, because you don't exist. And think about it, if you hadn't been born, you wouldn't know about existing anyway.

Is death really like before you were born? How can you be 100% sure? We have no conclusive empircal evidence.

Without a working brain, we can't be conscious. What is it that would sustain your life, and your senses (or whatever it would be) once you're dead? Heaven is a logical fallacy because without your brain everything becomes nothing. No senses, no memories, no life. I don't know if that makes sense whenever I say it, but in my head it makes perfect sense.
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But without your head it wouldn't make any sense... therefore, the limitations are all in your head and anything is technically possible. Laugh

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(11-15-2011 06:04 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  Without a working brain, we can't be conscious. What is it that would sustain your life, and your senses (or whatever it would be) once you're dead? Heaven is a logical fallacy because without your brain everything becomes nothing. No senses, no memories, no life. I don't know if that makes sense whenever I say it, but in my head it makes perfect sense.

I know exactly where you're coming from and also used to think like that but then I turned skeptic with my philosophy, so I won't knock it Razz

But the whole concept of unconsciousness and nothingness after death is but an idea from the human head itself. Consciousness relates to human functioning, technically when deasd you would not be conscious nor unconscious. But for there to be nothing? Sure, it's a possibility but for me I can never be 100% sure.

How do we know there is no external force outside of human comprehension that senses cannot percieve?

We only have five senses and we can only see the three dimensional world. I think there are a hell of a lot of things humans cannot detect, percieve and have knowledge about and what happens after death is one of those mysteries. Intuitevely it seems logical to accept that death is exactly like before birth. But we have no knowledge of what before birth was like, you can be sure of that because if you think for yourself then you realise you can't, it's out of human ability. It may actually be because it was nothing, but we can never know.

Theres some deep thinking for you...

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I choose life. I am glad I got this chance to experience the good and bad, but especially the good.

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Absolutely ,life is a priceless gift. Live it up
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I love being alive, no matter where I was born, or when.. We should cherise life to the end, becuase it is not forever.

But I would change a minor things in my life if I had a choice to be born.
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I dont even know anymore. Sometimes I wonder
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nope.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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Yes.

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Life > Nothing.

I'm not being tortured, and this is bearable. In the future, I might even enjoy my daily routine. Should be pretty boss.

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I suppose I would stay alive. I haven't found a real reason for living except for to have fun at any cost, and perhaps leave behind some sort of Legacy; doing something extraordinary or mysterious that will keep my name around for centuries after it is done. Engraved into history.

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I don't see why I need a "purpose" to be alive, I just am, and I seem to prefer it.
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Nope. Why should I? If I can decide things before I am born, I must be some place. And if this place isn't to bad, I'd stay.

However, nope. Life is too much of a burden. You suffer too much. And I am not really a masochist.

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(12-23-2011 07:33 AM)aCol Wrote:  Nope. Why should I? If I can decide things before I am born, I must be some place.

Shit, I've never thought of it that way o.O

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You mind is boxed then ;D

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I have thought about this a lot and I think i wouldn't.

This world is SO fucked up... I don't know.
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I would definitely choose to be born. I don't think my life sucks that bad, its really just school and family. There are people much worse off than any of us. There are diseased orphans in Africa hunting for all their food, North Koreans being executed for saying they wanted a democracy, Afghans getting their shit burned down by US soldiers, Mexicans and Colombians getting shot and tortured by cartels for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. People on this forum need to look at the positives and simply have fun. Life has no purpose, so what's the point if you don't just have fun? Nothing HAS to happen, nothing NEEDS to happen. If I were never born, I would've never experienced fun or happiness, never have met the people I love and care for. If you were never sad, how would you know when you're happy?

Life is a treat and should he treated as such. Don't have such a negative outlook.

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I think I wouldn't. So far at least.

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I've pretty much been a brat up until I was 11, then I was just depressed lonely and weird, as I still am. My life is so weird, I've had some really good moments too, but they are way too short and I doubt that they were really as great as I thought. I wish I was born, but as a different person with a different outcome.
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(12-19-2011 02:43 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  Life > Nothing.

I'm not being tortured, and this is bearable. In the future, I might even enjoy my daily routine. Should be pretty boss.

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