Thoughts and Feelings

[cooltoonist]

A thought is something that pops in your head then goes out.
However, if you concentrate on that thought, it turns into a feeling.

Is this true?

[colbert2012]

thoughts dont turn into emotions, they turn into ideas, right?

[SoulRiser]

Not really... thoughts and feelings are different things. Feelings are things you feel that are hard to describe in words... thoughts are more like ideas that can make you feel things, but they aren't feelings on their own. Thoughts and feelings can both appear and disappear instantly or they can stick around longer than that.

[colbert2012]

so youre saying thoughts and feelings are simular, but feelings are always the same even if they come and go, thoughts are always different, or usually

[liq3]

If you want to get technical...

All feelings are thoughts.
Not all thoughts are feelings.

Anyways, to prove above statement. Feelings are just electrical impulses...Notice how when someone meditates and becomes extremely relaxed all feeling leaves them? They feel neither love, pain, happiness or joy. They just feel peace - or the lack of any emotion. Though, I doubt anyone has felt full peace, it's just impossible to do while human imo.

[SoulRiser]

Feelings could be thoughts that you don't know how to put into words.

Gah. Screw this. Dictionary definition time!

feeling:
The psychological feature of experiencing affective and emotional states
A vague idea in which some confidence is placed
The general atmosphere of a place or situation and the effect that it has on people
A physical sensation that you experience
An intuitive understanding of something

thought:
The content of cognition; the main thing you are thinking about
The process of thinking (especially thinking carefully)
The organized beliefs of a period or group or individual
A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

So basically, feelings are more based in emotion or intuition, and thoughts are more based in logic. Though you can think about totally illogical things too.

[colbert2012]

but the totally illogical things you think of ill be based from logic

[cooltoonist]

liq3 Wrote:All feelings are thoughts.
Not all thoughts are feelings.

No, I meant if you concentrate on that thought, it turns into a feeling.

Like school for example. You see all the bad stuff school (thought) and now everytime I step in that building, I feel a feeling of disgust.

Another one would be you hate a food. The thought of the taste of the food floats around and every time you try the food you hate, you'll probably feel rebellious to eat it.

[colbert2012]

as that is true not all thoughts turn into emotions. some thoughts are random and dont relate to anything

[SleeperAwakes]

Thoughts can be feelings or feelings, thoughts. They often coincide with each-other. But wouldn't you generate feelings for the thought? Or what about when you get thoughts about feelings when you think about them? Some thoughts may even be incorporated in how you act, thus showing feeling.
But yeah. I don't think a thought could turn into a direct feeling. A feeling could be a thought, though. Like you get a feeling you shouldn't jump into a volcano. It's a thought that maybe something bad will happen if you do.

[Ahab]

Thoughts and feelings is just shit you've been told. The only genuine human thoughts are that of a desire to sleep, fuck, kill, piss, shit, jerk off, eat, and drink.

[SoulRiser]

I guess the majority of my thoughts and feelings are of an alien nature, then. Sweeet, I always knew I wasn't human!

[Ahab]

SoulRiser Wrote:I guess the majority of my thoughts and feelings are of an alien nature, then. Sweeet, I always knew I wasn't human!

Wrong. The majority of thoughts aren't considered with any sort of deep concept behind it. You as a human body can be fascinating but as a human you are no more than everyone else. I see you like Jiddu. You should check with U.G.

[SoulRiser]

I like me, actually. I tend to be partial to others who agree with me, though. U.G. is interesting, but I don't want such a morbid outlook on life, thanks.

[i-am-the-liquor]

a thought can trigger a emotion, simple shit

[Ahab]

SoulRiser Wrote:I like me, actually. I tend to be partial to others who agree with me, though. U.G. is interesting, but I don't want such a morbid outlook on life, thanks.

I guess to each their own. I don't see it as morbid so much as it is realistic and refreshing. It's not so much liberation as it is liberation from enlightenment.

[SoulRiser]

I find it morbid because it kind of reduces me to just an "organism". I'm capable of more than that, and I want more than that in my life. I don't care what anyone says.

[Ahab]

It reduces everyone to an organism though. In a sense it's saying the same thing as before.

[liq3]

Ahab Wrote:Thoughts and feelings is just shit you've been told. The only genuine human thoughts are that of a desire to sleep, fuck, kill, piss, shit, jerk off, eat, and drink.

You sir, are a sad sad person. I hope you find love.

[SoulRiser]

Well, yes, technically everyone is an organism, but I know there's more to life than basic organism needs and whatever. If people don't want more than that, that's fine though. But I want (and already have) more. I wouldn't trade that in for anything.

[liq3]

I just noticed everyone has been saying organism, not orgasm.

There are two ways to look at this. OR and SR way. OR way, yes, are just organisms. Nothing more. SR way, we are much, MUCH more then just organism. Our bodies are nothing more then vessels for our 'soul'. Tools if you will.

[Ahab]

liq3 Wrote:You sir, are a sad sad person. I hope you find love.

It may seem sad to you but it is hardly sad to me. Giving up on illusions is a strange thing to come by but it ultimately becomes much more liberating than any experience of "love", "freedom", etc. will provide.

[SoulRiser]

Do you actually know that for yourself or are you just going by what U.G. said?

[Ahab]

SoulRiser Wrote:Do you actually know that for yourself or are you just going by what U.G. said?

All U.G.'s writings do for me is serve to be a much more well phrased and thought out argument for what I've been a skeptic on for a good amount of years. Where I'm not UG is the fact I'm a white, 16 year old kid. I have a different attitude politically and a different set of values from him. Where he employed more brutal honesty I am much more a pathological liar, hypocrite, and scumbag. I'm not worried nor celebrating the fact I am (beyond posting here and writing at will), but brutal honesty isn't my thing. Where he took a more communist viewpoint I am to the far right in terms of my love for capitalism and the concept of a more unequal society. He also wasn't too worried in terms of social issues where I must say I give a shit.

[liq3]

Ahab Wrote:

liq3 Wrote:You sir, are a sad sad person. I hope you find love.

It may seem sad to you but it is hardly sad to me. Giving up on illusions is a strange thing to come by but it ultimately becomes much more liberating than any experience of "love", "freedom", etc. will provide.

Which is why I no longer believe in God, no longer fear death, and believe in SR. Dude, I believe all my emotions are a figment of my imagination(in a way). A very awesome figment.

[modest mouse]

cooltoonist Wrote:A thought is something that pops in your head then goes out.
However, if you concentrate on that thought, it turns into a feeling.

Is this true?

Good one sherlock, how hard did you strain to come up with that?

[Ahab]

liq3 Wrote:

Ahab Wrote:

liq3 Wrote:You sir, are a sad sad person. I hope you find love.

It may seem sad to you but it is hardly sad to me. Giving up on illusions is a strange thing to come by but it ultimately becomes much more liberating than any experience of "love", "freedom", etc. will provide.

Which is why I no longer believe in God, no longer fear death, and believe in SR. Dude, I believe all my emotions are a figment of my imagination(in a way). A very awesome figment.

I've got two out of 3 going for me. I would say I'm more with objectivism when it comes to reality, though.

[modest mouse]

I just...quit caring about philosophy, the way other people see me(except those that I care about),
pretty much everything except schoolwork, music, and friendship.
Aesthetics has really just...left my mind completely.
Hygine hasn't though.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:All U.G.'s writings do for me is serve to be a much more well phrased and thought out argument for what I've been a skeptic on for a good amount of years.

Funny, as soon as I started reading some of Jiddu's stuff, I felt the same way.

Conclusion: people are too different for one thing to work for everyone.

[SleeperAwakes]

liq3 Wrote:

Ahab Wrote:

liq3 Wrote:You sir, are a sad sad person. I hope you find love.

It may seem sad to you but it is hardly sad to me. Giving up on illusions is a strange thing to come by but it ultimately becomes much more liberating than any experience of "love", "freedom", etc. will provide.

Which is why I no longer believe in God, no longer fear death, and believe in SR. Dude, I believe all my emotions are a figment of my imagination(in a way). A very awesome figment.

Then the figments themselves are also thoughts? But still, I believe in God though I don't fear Death. It's just how I die that concerns me. (Thus emotion from thought.)
Believe in the lessons of my actions and history, true, but the emotions that seem to come with it trail the memories, don't they?