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Your pushing your luck.

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cp Wrote:Your pushing your luck.
I know, but its so much fun. Laugh
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Welcome! Pirate2
Enjoy your stay.

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Recently. the butt pirates have invaded the Welcome topics. They all like buttsecks and I advise you stay away.

They wouln't let me join ;+;

Whoa, it was never my intention to brag
but I got him where I want him now...

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Well - yeah In am hot. Obviously. Your lovely an al;l but I have the better genes and I'm roasting hot!
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Hannyness Wrote:Recently. the butt pirates have invaded the Welcome topics. They all like buttsecks and I advise you stay away.

They wouln't let me join ;+;
Oh, you can join, its always great to have another lover of the buttsecks join our cause. Biggrin
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Okay, I'll join =]

I should make a banner... MAKE IT A USERGROUP.

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Well - yeah In am hot. Obviously. Your lovely an al;l but I have the better genes and I'm roasting hot!
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Hannyness Wrote:Okay, I'll join =]

I should make a banner... MAKE IT A USERGROUP.
That's actually a pretty good idea, do that. Biggrin
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In process.

Warning: All my pixelart looks like crap cartoons so somoene else should probably do it.. but i'll try anyway

Whoa, it was never my intention to brag
but I got him where I want him now...

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My brother who has problems with grammar in the middle of words Wrote:M0nkeynut5 says (14:20):
Well - yeah In am hot. Obviously. Your lovely an al;l but I have the better genes and I'm roasting hot!
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I call captain of the butt pirates because I have a HUGE fetish fer booty secks.

Heheheh, Hannyness is kind of a perv. Giggle

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No no NO.

I'm not a perv, I just pretend to be.

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Well - yeah In am hot. Obviously. Your lovely an al;l but I have the better genes and I'm roasting hot!
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Well you MUST at least like bootysecks if you joined the butt pirates.

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Zero Wrote:Well you MUST at least like bootysecks if you joined the butt pirates.
Well I'm sure Hannyness does, I mean we're called the butt pirates for fucks sake! Oh and since the captain's position is already taken, I guess I'll take the spot of first mate.
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Someone needs to keep a list of who has what positions.
So far, I'm the captain, Hannyness is A master *closest thing to look out*, and sk is lieutenant.
Quote: Many books and websites try to list and describe the various ranks on a pirate ship, but many of them contain very basic and misleading errors. Since so many copy from one another the errors are expanded and built upon until the truth is lost. Here is my own modest addition to the melting pot, but it is drawn not from other websites or books but from original 17th and 18th century writings.



Captain:

It has often been said that pirates were one of the first true democracies, in that they elected their captains, and often other officers as well. It must be stated that though there are several examples of pirates being voted into and out of power this was not always the case by any means.

Whether he commanded by election or imposition the pirate captain was the supreme commander aboard his ship. The men sailed where he told them to, fought when and whom he told them to and on the whole were ruled by him. For the elected captain his position was a precarious one, his men would obey him as long as he kept making sensible orders and brought them success, if he failed they would vote him out of office and elect another in his place. For the captain who ruled by force the position was equally precarious, if he failed to lead them successfully he faced mutiny and murder.



Lieutenant:

It is often stated that the ship's quartermaster was the second in command. I will address the question of quartermaster later. On larger pirate ships the second in command was the lieutenant. Johnson tells us that Avery, Roberts, Gow and Lowther all had lieutenants (Roberts' lieutenant, Kennedy, and Lowther's lieutenant, Low later became captains in their own right). Lieutenants are also mentioned in proclamations of 1717 and 1718.

Warships of the Royal Navy had a varying number of lieutenants depending on the size of vessel, from 3 in a first or second rate ship in 1686 to 1 in a sixth rate. It seems very unlikely that any pirate vessel was large enough to warrant more than one lieutenant, but in Johnson's story of Captain Mission mention is made of second and third lieutenants. Although the story of Mission is fictional Johnson intended it to be believed by his readers, and wrote it as if it were fact, so we cannot dismiss the background it provides entirely. However, I've not been able to find any record of an actual pirate ship with more than one lieutenant.

The duties of the lieutenant were more or less to act as the captain's deputy. He commanded in the captain's absence, often took command of prizes, and during battle should have positioned himself in the forecastle while the captain was on the quarter- or poop-deck.



Master:

The master of any ship was in charge of navigation and the actual business of sailing the vessel. In matters of seamanship the master should have been obeyed entirely. In the 17th century Butler described the duties of the master thus: "to undertake the conduction of [a ship] to the places and ports whither she is bound, and to shape all courses as may best conduce thereunto;... He is to enquire and take account of all the ways that the ship hath made and upon what points of the compass she hath been steered in every watch; and to this end he is to take a view of the traverse board, and to consider of all the dead reckonings. And by his observations, to take the height of the sun or star, or both, with his astrolabe, backstaff, Jacob staff or quadrant, and accordingly prick his cart [chart, or sea card]."

A number of pirate vessels had masters, for example Israel Hands was Blackbeard's master, and masters are mentioned in both the 1717 and 1718 proclamations. On vessels too small to have both a captain and master the same man did both jobs, thus in some cases the term "master" is interchangeable with "captain".



Boatswain:

The boatswain (or bosun) was one of the most important men aboard any sailing vessel. He was responsible for "...all the ropes in general belonging to the ship: with all her cables, anchors, and sails; her flags, colours and pendants...". He was also responsible for making sure every man was correctly on watch and at his station. During battle it was a small group of the best seamen under the command of the boatswain and his mates (if he had any) who saw to the sailing of the ship while most of the crew worked the cannons. On many ships the boatswain was also responsible for discipline. In some ships the boatswain also took on the duties of master gunner.

Boatswains are listed as pirate officers in both proclamations of 1717 and 1718, and are listed in the articles of Roberts, Lowther and Phillips, in each case receiving one share and a quarter. There are several references to pirate boatswains in various sources of the period, and in Johnson's General History there are at least two mentions of boatswain's whistles, their method of communicating orders to men aloft as well as being a badge of office. It is unlikely that many pirate vessels had boatswain's mates aboard (in the Royal Navy only sixth rates and larger carried boatswain's mates), but we do know that Benjamin Jeffreys was boatswain's mate aboard Roberts' ship.



Gunner:

The gunner's duties included taking charge of all the ship's cannon, ensuring they were properly maintained and that the crews were trained in their use. He was responsible for ensuring all the gun ports were closed in bad weather and for making sure all guns were secured. In battle the gunner would often be near the helm, advising the helmsman on how to steer so as to be able to aim the ship's artillery better.

According to the articles of Roberts, Lowther and Phillips, the gunner was to receive one and a quarter shares in the division of spoils, and he is mentioned with other officer in the 1717 proclamation. It is possible that Blackbeard's gunner Philip Morton may have been higher ranking than the boatswain, but in general the gunner and boatswain were about level in the chain of command, each to his own province. It has already been noted that in some small vessels the duties of gunner and boatswain were shared by the same man.



Carpenter:

The carpenter was an officer responsible for the maintenance of the ship below the deck level (including the hull, decks, bulkheads etc), in the same way that the boatswain was responsible for everything above the deck. He was responsible for replacing damaged or worn masts and yards, repairing or replacing the rudder or any other timber which needed it and for stopping leaks. Carpenters were usually experienced seamen as well as tradesmen, and often enjoyed a similar rank to boatswains.



Mates:

A mate aboard a sailing vessel could be anything since many officers had "mates", but unless it is otherwise specified usually meant "Master's mate". Master's mates were similar in rank to boatswains, sometimes above and sometimes below them. If a ship had no seperate master, only a captain/master then the term "mate" was often used to mean second in command (still literally the master's mate) instead of a lieutenant.

Royal Navy ships often had more than one mate(ranking lower than a boatswain), depending on size, but I have found no record of a pirate vessel with two or more master's mates, and many were not even big enough to warrant even one.



Quartermaster:

More incorrect information has been written about quartermasters than any other rank on pirate ships. Countless websites and books state quite clearly that the quartermaster was the second in command of pirate ships, answerable only to the captain. We have seen that there were a number of officers who ranked between the captain and quartermaster in terms of command, and this false idea seems to come principally from information in Johnson's General History about the quartermaster of Roberts' crew.

" For the Punishment of small Offences, which are not provided for by the Articles, and which are not of Consequence enough to be left to a Jury, there is a principal Officer among the Pyrates, called the Quarter-Master, of the Mens own chusing, who claims all Authority this Way, (excepting in Time of Battle) If they disobey his Command, are quarrelsome and mutinous with one another, misuse Prisoners, plunder beyond his Order, and in particular, if they be negligent of their Arms, which he musters at Discretion, he punishes at his own Arbitrement, with drubbing or whipping, which no one else dare do without incurring the Lash from all the Ships Company: In short, this Officer is Trustee for the whole, is the first on Board any Prize, separating for the Company's Use, what he pleases, and returning what he thinks fit to the Owners, excepting Gold and Silver, which they have voted not returnable."

In this paragraph, and in Roberts' articles (in which the quartermaster receives the same share of spoils as the captain) it is shown that the quartermaster of a pirate ship held more importance than a quartermaster of any other ship, wherein he was a low ranking petty officer - well below the boatswain, gunner, mates and carpenter. However, most of the evidence for the quartermasters of pirate ships being more important than other officers comes from the descriptions of Roberts' crew, and I believe that Roberts' crew was exceptional in this respect - possibly because of the sheer number of men serving under him.

First, let us look at the normal duties of quartermasters on merchant and naval ships. According to Monson writing in the 17th century the quartermasters "are four, and every one has his mate; they have the charge of the hold for stowage, rumaging and trimming the ship in hold. They have their squadron in the watch, and see that every one do his office both by day and night: they have a care to look to the steerage and the traverse board." Butler adds that the quartermasters are also to "accompany and overlook the steward when he delivers out the victuals to the cook and when he serves and pumps the beer". Monson asserts that there were four quartermasters, while Butler says it depends on the size of the ship, in a sense both are correct; in Monson's time only the smallest ships carried fewer than four quartermasters, by 1686 though this had changed and ships carried between 1 and 8 depending on their size. The smallest vessels, yachts and sloops (which equate to the kind of ship most commonly used by pirates) carried either one or none at all.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that aboard most pirate vessels the quartermaster was similarly ranked to his namesake on naval vessels. For example, at Rackham's trial only 3 officers are listed, and the last of these is Richard Corner, the quartermaster. No special reward is offered in the 1717 proclamation for the capture of quartermasters unless they are considered "inferior officers", certainly no mention of them is made specifically. In the list of officers killed with Blackbeard the quartermaster is the last mentioned

Neither Lowther's nor Phillips' articles make any mention of giving extra shares to the quartermaster, though other officers receive extra. Lowther's articles mention the quartermaster elsewhere, assigning him extra duties, so we know that there was one, but that he was not important enough to warrant extra spoil. According to Phillip Ashton's account Low had at least two quartermasters, so we must assume that they occupied the normal quartermaster's position, since there cannot have been two seconds in command.

By far the majority of the evidence concerning the quartermaster's abnormal position on a pirate ship relates to the crew of Bart Roberts, so as I have stated I believe that his quartermaster held a unique position. However, even on Roberts' ship the evidence suggests that the quartermaster had extra duties of a civil nature, with regard to discipline and the division of spoils etc., rather than actual command. There is a certain amount of evidence (almost all of it from Johnson) that some quartermasters held a brief as a kind of representative of the crew, acting on their behalf in negotiations, speaking for them and suchlike. This translated into a certain amount of power, because without the assent of the crew the captain could do nothing, but this power was not the quartermaster's own to wield as he pleased, and nor did it exist unless the crew had a dispute with the captain.

Pirate quartermasters often had more duties than their counterparts in merchant or naval vessels, and perhaps enjoyed more popularity with the crew. Where there is evidence of quartermasters having more power than one would expect it is in the nature of their being a representative of the will of the crew - it is not the quartermaster with the extra power, it is the crew themselves with the quartermaster speaking on their behalf. However, in general they did not out rank any other officers, nor did they have any real power or importance except under a very weak captain. They certainly were not second in command.



Other miscellaneous:

Aboard any sailing vessel there might be any number of officers with their own particular duties, their number depending on the size of vessel. There is evidence of the following "officers" on one or more pirate ship:

Pilot: an officer partly responsible for navigation, particularly in shore navigation. Sometimes the pilot was a permanent officer on the ship, but often was just hired (or pressed) for a particular piece of coast or harbour.

Coxswain: a junior officer with duties similar to the boatswain. He was also in charge of the second largest of the ship's boats.

Sailmaker: not only was this man responsible for mending the ship's sails, but he also had charge of making and repairing flags, and often making slop clothing for the men.

Doctor: very few pirate ships probably had doctors or surgeons aboard. On those that did, he was responsible not only for the treatment of injuries but for seeing to the general health of the crew. Although we know that a number of surgeons volunteered to accompany the buccaneering expeditions of the late 17th century it is probably that most doctors aboard pirate ships of the Golden Age were pressed men, forced to join when their own ship was captured.



For what it's worth, the ranks on a first rate Royal Navy vessel in 1700 (in descending order of pay, and thus presumably seniority - with some exceptions) were:
Captain
Lieutenants
Master
Surgeon (whose seniority was confined to matters medical)
Boatswain*
Gunner*
Carpenter*
Purser*
Second Masters and Pilots
Masters Mates
Surgeon's Mates (seniority as Surgeon's)
Midshipmen+
Master at Arms+
Captain's Clerk+ (no seniority)
Surgeon's second mates# (seniority as Surgeon's)
Carpenter's Mates#
Sailmaker~
Quartermasters~
Boatswain's Mates~
Gunner's Mates~
Yeomen of the Powder Room~
Corporal~
Yeoman of the Sheets=
Coxswain=
Quartermasters' Mates%
Surgeon's 3rd-5th mates%
Trumpeter%
Sailmaker's mates
Quarter-gunners&
Carpenter's Crew&
Steward
Armourer$
Sailmaker's Crew$
Gunsmith$
Cook$
Steward's Mate
Able Seamen (also midshipmen ordinary, cook's mate, coxswain's mate, yeoman of the boatswain's store, swabbers, coopers, captain's cook)
Seamen^
Chaplain^ (no seniority except in matters spiritual, he also recieved extra pay depending on the size of the crew)
Landsmen and Servants.

Note: ranks with the same symbols following had the same wage
Some of the ranks related to specific jobs. It is doubtful, for example, if the authority of the Yeomen of the Powder Room extended outside the powder room, or that of the cook outside the galley.

Admiral Monson listed the ranks aboard a privateer in the early 17thC, and their shares:
"Captain - 10 shares
Master - 7 or 8
Lieutenant - 7 or 8
Mates - 5
Surgeon - 5
Gunner - 5
Boatswain - 5
Carpenter - 5
Trumpeter - 5
Quartermasters - 4
Cooper - 4
Surgeon's mate - 4
Gunner's mate - 4
Carpenter's mate - 4
Corporal - 3
Quartermasters' mates - 3
Trumpeter's mate - 3
Steward - 3
Cook - 3
Coxswain - 3
Swabber - 3

The younkers [ordinary seamen] are according to their deserts, some three, some two, and some less; the boys one single share."

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I like bums in general.

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Well - yeah In am hot. Obviously. Your lovely an al;l but I have the better genes and I'm roasting hot!
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But do you like the idea of taking it in the "bum" or at least lesbian strapon butt sex?
Butt sex is obviously very important to butt pirates.

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Zero Wrote:But do you like the idea of taking it in the "bum" or at least lesbian strapon butt sex?
Butt sex is obviously very important to butt pirates.
Or just strap-on bum sex in general? As far as I'm concerned, pegging is ok.
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Me no liek pegging, but if it works for you, you're free to do it as long as I don't have to.

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