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Creationism means a god creating a being or race, and as such it is religious. You're right insofar as it is an idea, but it's still a religious one.

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Probably Weswammy Wrote:Creationism is Science,
You know why? Because if you take religion out of the picture(Judaism, Christianity, Pastafarianism, etc.) it's just an idea. All scientific theories started as ideas, maybe based on something out in the world, but ideas nonetheless. A religion could just as well claim evolution as it's supreme doctrine like many religions claim creationism.
no, it's not science. it has no evidence. when evidence is found, then it will become science. but an idea without proof is not science, it is opinion.

Quote:I don't see how you can call creationism itself religion.

because it has no proof, so to believe it requires faith. faith and religion are pretty closely related.

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Probably Weswammy Wrote:Creationism is Science,
You know why? Because if you take religion out of the picture(Judaism, Christianity, Pastafarianism, etc.) it's just an idea. All scientific theories started as ideas, maybe based on something out in the world, but ideas nonetheless. A religion could just as well claim evolution as it's supreme doctrine like many religions claim creationism.
I don't see how you can call creationism itself religion.
All there needs to be is a theory to be made about creationism, and that theory isn't Intelligent Design.
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Aside from what's already been said, do you suppose creationism would have been hypothesised without religious influence?

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It was, but that's not to say it couldn't have been if the world had been different.

Religion and creationism can be separated, it just needs to be looked at with neutral eyes and not by religious zealots or atheist elitist bigots. Because if either of those people look at it they will either be too soon to accept it or too soon to dismiss it.

And I am also sorry to say most of us here fit into one of those categories, myself definitely included.

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"religion" doesn't necessary refer to Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. this about faith vs. reason, and since creationism involves a creator which there is no true evidence of, it is faith. the intelligent design debate isn't about established religions gaining a foothold in the school curriculum, it's about keeping out faith and groundless opinion, whether it was thought of by an average guy on the stree or the pope himself.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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I don't like the Pope. He's a bastard.

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Rebelnerd speaks the truth, if you can get some proof of god then maybe you're theory will have some merit.

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If I wanted to dedicate my life to finding evidence for something I already believe I would.
But I don't feel like wasting my life proving it to other people when I've already proven it to myself.

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You have to have TANGIBLE evidence for it to be called science you fucking dumbass.

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This is the stupidest thread I've ever made in my life.

Cilaos, you were right.

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Just read the entire thread.

Eh, this was 6 years ago.

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I hate the evolution bandwagon. Those arrogant bastards...

But so necrobump. At least I've learned we had a member called Cilaos.

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