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I've always hated the fact the people will judge your level of inteligence on just how well you did on a school exam. People who get all the A's are always called the smart ones and the people who get F's are called the dumb ones and i really don't think that your inteligence should be judged by some letter written on a piece of paper

I mean the student who get's nothing but F's could be smarter than a person who always get A's, it's just that the A student can memorize things better than the F student
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Right on, man.
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Yep, spot on.

Theres this story I read in a book, about this dude who got straight C's in school, and this other dude in the same class that got straight A's. The C's dude got a 1000x better job. True story.

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analogue Wrote:I've always hated the fact the people will judge your level of inteligence on just how well you did on a school exam. People who get all the A's are always called the smart ones and the people who get F's are called the dumb ones and i really don't think that your inteligence should be judged by some letter written on a piece of paper

I mean the student who get's nothing but F's could be smarter than a person who always get A's, it's just that the A student can memorize things better than the F student
Again, darn right.
My grades haven't been doing well but it's not because i'm stupid, it's just that I can't do work in a class with 18 to 27 students.
It's terrifying.

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Ok, analogue, for the sake of argument let's say you are right. The grading system doesn't mean squat. So what might that mean?

The kids who get bad grades should get the same opportunities in life as the ones who don't, right? So kids who are retarded should be able to have jobs that require a high degree of critical thinking and judgment? Like, your doctor, shouldn't have to make good grades, just show up and have a smile on his/her face when asked a question?

So the kid who got lousy grades becomes the policeman who does whatever he wants to do when he picks up an alleged criminal? Can't read, so what the heck? Laws are just rules to be broken. If you're the cop you got the POWER!

If grades aren't a measure of achievement, then what would you propose be the measure--good looks, ability to whine, strongest and meanest? It's easy to say what is wrong with grades but now do the hard part; what should be the measure of intelligence if you don't have grades?
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akdonn Wrote:The kids who get bad grades should get the same opportunities in life as the ones who don't, right? So kids who are retarded should be able to have jobs that require a high degree of critical thinking and judgment? Like, your doctor, shouldn't have to make good grades, just show up and have a smile on his/her face when asked a question?

So the kid who got lousy grades becomes the policeman who does whatever he wants to do when he picks up an alleged criminal? Can't read, so what the heck? Laws are just rules to be broken. If you're the cop you got the POWER!

You're missing the whole point.
Just because you don't have good grades doesn't mean you can't be a good doctor, policeman, etc. etc.

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Go ahead and believe that if you want to. Just read the help wanted ads and apply. Write a phony resume and try to fake it into a job like doctor, policeman, etc. etc. If you make it past the interview you probably won't make it a week after you are hired. Plenty of people with your philosophy are trying and most fail.
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If one wants to succeed in life grades mean nothing, effort does though. Sometimes effort works in reverse. People get pressured to get good grades in high school and all of a sudden will turn out to have no effort in the real world, whereas there are many people who didn't do as well who have reasonable jobs that pay more than the people who spent 99% of their time trying to get 100% in each class only to get so bummed out that they miss out on life.

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akdonn Wrote:Go ahead and believe that if you want to. Just read the help wanted ads and apply. Write a phony resume and try to fake it into a job like doctor, policeman, etc. etc. If you make it past the interview you probably won't make it a week after you are hired. Plenty of people with your philosophy are trying and most fail.

Again, you're missing the point.
People get good grades in school for things they may hate or like to learn, but most likley won't use it in their life (with a few exeptions) or job.
If you get bad grades, it may mean a matter of things.
You may like learning math, reading, etc, but not in school.
You think that nothing intresting is being taught in school anymore.
etc.

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Well I Sometimes SOMETIMES I agree with akdonn in some points without making any comments but...

We have a classmate, to be short, He fails at life, he isn't smart,not social,not creative

How he gets all teh good grades ?
He got an un-believable gift to memorize,

Basically he is like a computer (if you get my drift)

My Curriculum is retarded enough, it is all 100% about memorization
You get a question, you answer EXACTLY as in the book =.=
not to mention that the question we get are typical and it easy to know what part they want you to "Print it".
even in Math,
Math = we memorize equations, we get the values, we put teh values on the calculator then Viola! the answer =D

Anyway I am doin all my effort,to study
to get the hell outta their, I know that "tangents from same point and on the same circle are equal in measure" probably wont help me much IRL job, but as I said,failing isn't the way out.

IMHO, the entire "paper exam" is a phail.

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akdonn Wrote:If grades aren't a measure of achievement, then what would you propose be the measure--good looks, ability to whine, strongest and meanest? It's easy to say what is wrong with grades but now do the hard part; what should be the measure of intelligence if you don't have grades?

why should we measure intelligence? it just seems like a way to single people out and make them feel worse/better about themselves. unless that is the reason. besides, im sure there is a better way to "measure" it. you cant say IQ tests because all they do is show how well you can identify and respond to patterns.

also, just because you got a low grade, doesnt mean you arent intelligent. its just a mistake(or a series of mistakes made over and over again. you'd think they'd learn? lol). the school stigmatizes mistakes like they are a bad thing. if you dont make mistakes, you've never tried anything new(i dont remember who said that, dont hassle me). if we 'measure' intelligence, it shouldnt be on how many mistakes you make.

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THE WORLD IS FUCKED
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STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS
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caps are fun
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But they make you look like an idiot.
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How? Other than it looks like im always pissed
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akdonn Wrote:what should be the measure of intelligence if you don't have grades?
Pass or fail. That should be the assessment. Teachers would determine if they pass or fail, and not use a preset method. There would be loose guidelines, and for subjects like math, required knowledge, probably test based.

Certifications would not stop existing. The difference would be, anyone can take the tests to acquire them. I find it silly that one must spend two years in school to gain a 3 year certification.

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Damian Husrt (world's richest artist) got a D in A level art. Didn't he prove them wrong!

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SOCIALISM is when you have two cows and give one to your neighbour.
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fragile-esteem Wrote:Damian Husrt (world's richest artist) got a D in A level art. Didn't he prove them wrong!

I want to add a RL example of another classmate who is talented at drawing (The one who drew a girl between "Summer stuff")

He got 9/10 in the final exam in ART subject
and an other fat fella got a 9.5/10 and he suckkkkk

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@akdonn,

I see such a faulty reasoning in yours posts that I really feel the need to point out your flaws.

No one says that all you need in order to become a doctor is a pretty face. It certainly requires a hell lot of knowledge, but is school the best environment to learn that? Mind you, just because one understands a lesson best when explained to him and school is the only environment where lessons are explained doesn't imply that school is the best place for learning those lesson.

You also seem to be confusing intelligence with learning ability. What is intelligence really? I may not have the best answer for that but I DO know that intelligence isn't the equivalent of memorizing. I'd rather say that intelligence is the ease to which one understands a lesson. Intelligence may imply the capability of memorizing, but tests and exams only assesses the latter.

Grades are a measure of achievement? Only as far as memorizing goes. While memorizing is necessary, I think motivation, the ability to understand and adapt are at least equally important.

In the long run, it doesn't even matter how brainy you are as long as you use your brain properly. School just doesn't get the message.
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wyldstryke:

You ask: "why should we measure intelligence? it just seems like a way to single people out and make them feel worse/better about themselves. unless that is the reason. besides, im sure there is a better way to "measure" it. you cant say IQ tests because all they do is show how well you can identify and respond to patterns."

We measure intelligence so the right people are doing the right jobs; it has nothing to do with feelings. When I had my own business, I tried to hire people who could do the work in an intelligent way instead of screw everything up. When I pick my friends, I'm not much interested in dealing with people who might do something stupid and jeopardize my property or my person.

If you don't understand the reason why we measure intelligence then you will probably figure it out when you can't get a job and the kind of people you would like to be around don't want anything to do with you.
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BasTy^:

Funny, but I generally agree about what you are saying.

Whether or not school is the best environment for every student to learn is irrelevant; most people do learn in school, and school is the place to get started. Now, in the case of becoming a Doctor, you will have to make VERY GOOD GRADES, be accepted into a medical school with many people competing to get in, and then go through the rigors of many years of extensive training after your bachelor degree. This will not be a matter of simply being able to understand something that is explained to the student. This is a matter of constant application of knowledge, judgment, character and skill.

I don't believe I am confusing intelligence with learning ability. I think the research has proven that intelligence can be enhanced through application of learning ability and learning ability can be learned. Memorizing is a part of intelligence because you have to develop a base of knowledge to make informed choices about information you face as you learn. In fact, the ease in which one can understand a lesson may be a function of how well the lesson was relevant to what is being learned and the ability of the teacher to reach the student in teaching the lesson.

Grades are a long-standing measure of achievement and I would agree that "motivation, the ability to understand and adapt are...important.
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Ofcourse as a business owner you will pick the intelligent to work unless you want your business to screw up
I agree that memorization is a part of Intelligence,
But what it seems that school focuses on memorization,nothing else =.=

I would like to point out that Many people who had achieved good grades during their whole school career,failed at college
because when It comes to research,intelligence...
Well thats something school is already trying to make you forget
Everything is blah blah blah memorize

You have to get GOOD GRADES to enter the school of medicine but that doesn't mean you are smart,

Grades aren't the perfect meter for IQ

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analogue:

Quite right, grades do not accurately measure intelligence. They measure how much effort you are willing to put into your schoolwork. And how much you knew to begin with.

If Jane Doe gets an A on a history test, it could mean:
1) Jane LOVES history and read a book on ancient Greece over spring break. She can still remember most of what she read then...she didn't need to attend class to ace that test.
2) Jane studied her history notes all night.
3) Jane has an uncanny ability to guess correctly on multiple choice tests. She never studies though.

If John Doe gets an F on an algebra test, it can mean:
1) John didn't study at all. He's not interested in math, but he's really good in other subjects.
2) John tried very hard to understand the math, but algebra just makes no sense to him, no matter how much effort he makes.
3) John usually studies hard, but he's having a rough day today.
4) John fell asleep during the test and didn't answer half the questions.

akdonn:

I understand what you're saying, and I partially agree. If Billy Bob wants to become a doctor, he should have to prove that he understands medicine and the human body. If he takes a test about common childhood illnesses, his grade on that test should indeed help determine whether he gets the job. He has to show that he knows his stuff. Billy's grade in Advanced Medicine Class reflects how much effort he's put into learning medicine and how much he knows. If he fails this class, he shouldn't be permitted to become a doctor.

However, if Billy has only failed 10th grade Ancient History, he should still be allowed to practice medicine. His knowledge, or lack of it, about the Roman empire is entirely irrelevant to any job in medicine. It would be better if students were only graded in subjects relevant to their future careers.
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akdonn Wrote:Grades are a long-standing measure of achievement
Rofl
So is the car that dude that is getting straight D's made. So is the game that programmer made. So is the 100000 word story someone wrote in their spare time. These count for nothing in school.

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it's so stupid, what do they prove? maybe you're really good at something that isn't examined and there for can't put it on your CV to prove it people jst say it about you.

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CAPITALISM is when you have two cows and then sell one to buy a bull.
FACISM is when you have two cows, the government takes both and sells you the milk.
NAZISM is when you have two cows, the government takes both and shoots you.

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Quote:Grades are a long-standing measure of achievement

What evidence do you have to suggest this?

Quote:Memorizing is a part of intelligence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPiDHXtM ... re=related

They have better memory...
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(05-10-2008 05:03 AM)analogue Wrote:  I've always hated the fact the people will judge your level of inteligence on just how well you did on a school exam. People who get all the A's are always called the smart ones and the people who get F's are called the dumb ones and i really don't think that your inteligence should be judged by some letter written on a piece of paper

I mean the student who get's nothing but F's could be smarter than a person who always get A's, it's just that the A student can memorize things better than the F student

Word! I've been killing myself to get all A's and B's in all of my classes and have even been awarded scholarships to pay for school but the truth of the matter is ANYONE can get A's. It's about doing all the work, and doing it well. If extra credit is offered that can help to bring your grade up too. So you do all of your assignments and you turn everything in on time, does that mean you are creative, clever or think outside of the box? A boring, unimaginitive term paper will get an A+ as long as it hits all the criteria listed by the teacher. In life however it's what you offer that matters. I hear that hard work trumps talent, but only if talent doesn't work hard. Varying degrees of innate qualities like real smarts (cleverness, street smarts), creativity, and talent will always set one apart from the crowd. That is why someone who gets C's in school can end up getting a job that is 1000 x better than a straight A student.
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Grades are there to just say hey I'm smarter than you lol what a joke that is Smile
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Yeah...
I am agreeing with you.Good grades does not at all mean the student is smart.Mere bookish knowledge and bi heart theories may make a good graded student.But in real life the person with practical wisdom will win the game. Smile
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