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Wait, what sort of sterilization are we actually talking about? I'd prefer it if I still could enjoy sex and not have children, instead of never being sexually attracted to anyone, anymore.

I know in our country, we have an alternative for convicted rapists, and that is a form of artificial sterilization, that is given to the convicted in form of an injection or through some pills, I don't know. But that removes his sex drive for as long as he's (or she's) on the drug.

Maybe humans could have a mating season every year? And you're only allowed to mate with a 5-year interval Laugh
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itisi2 Wrote:I'm for involuntary sterilization of 90% of the human race.

Yes of course you are, as long as you're not in the 90% of the people being sterilized.
Congratulations on knowing what the word involuntary means. Yes, you are technically correct. There is no way i would be alright with being involuntarily sterilized, as it is physically impossible to be voluntarily involuntarily sterilized.

If there were a sort of sterilization draft, I would not be entirely opposed to being chosen though, as I have always been a strong supporter of adoption anyway.

Must also say that I am NOT suggesting castration, but rather just making the sperm so they cannot swim, which unless i'm mistaken, is possible.

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itisi2 Wrote:I'm for involuntary sterilization of 90% of the human race.

Yes of course you are, as long as you're not in the 90% of the people being sterilized.
Congratulations on knowing what the word involuntary means. Yes, you are technically correct. There is no way i would be alright with being involuntarily sterilized, as it is physically impossible to be voluntarily involuntarily sterilized.

If there were a sort of sterilization draft, I would not be entirely opposed to being chosen though, as I have always been a strong supporter of adoption anyway.

Must also say that I am NOT suggesting castration, but rather just making the sperm so they cannot swim, which unless i'm mistaken, is possible.

Wow thats actually a really good idea we should propose that to some scientists or something

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Quote:wow, that is the most frigtarded i have ever seen. "human extinction movement." in case you guys know, te word extinction does not mean population control, it means that they want the human race to end in a couple of generations. those people are just a bunch of greentards who think earth would be better of without us. we may be the only form of intelligent life in the universe (we probably are not, but we might be), so we should cherish that.
U know we r intelligent only because we say so, what do u mean by intelligent by the way? I don't even understand why I should care about things after my death (tho i care about pollution etc. but because it makes me feel better) . I rly can't see what is so special and great about us. Still i think they r talking about reducing ppl quantity not total extinct.

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Gobinu Wrote:
Quote:wow, that is the most frigtarded i have ever seen. "human extinction movement." in case you guys know, te word extinction does not mean population control, it means that they want the human race to end in a couple of generations. those people are just a bunch of greentards who think earth would be better of without us. we may be the only form of intelligent life in the universe (we probably are not, but we might be), so we should cherish that.
U know we r intelligent only because we say so, what do u mean by intelligent by the way? I don't even understand why I should care about things after my death (tho i care about pollution etc. but because it makes me feel better) . I rly can't see what is so special and great about us. Still i think they r talking about reducing ppl quantity not total extinct.
The word intelligent does not belong anywhere near the "words" 'u', 'r', or 'ppl'.

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itisi: Thank you.

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W.T. Snacks Wrote:itisi: Thank you.
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So I am not intelligent and I prefer to use "u", "r" and "ppl". I understand that is too much... it is ok, so r = are, u = you and ppl= people... still, can U tell me what difference does it make to U?

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Gobinu, first off that last post was kind of hard to understand, though I think you were trying to say how you spell/type shouldn't make a difference. Which, of course, it does. It bugs me to no end mostly because it is in a forum, not an IM or chat. Are you in some kind of a hurry or something? And it does make you seem less intelligent. If you are trying to seriously debate and make someone understand your point of view, at least respect them by using whole words.

Now on to real business...
Again to you Gobinu!
"I don't even understand why I should care about things after my death"
I really want to bring up an episode of Futurama here... so I will!! If the government 100 years ago hurled a ball of garbage out into space, knowing it would come back in 100 years, but not caring about that little fact because they'd be dead, and that ball of garbage came back and basically destroyed the planet(with you living on it!), how pissed off would you be?

Which is basically what we are doing. If we all know we are ruining the planet(which we as humans ARE basically doing) shouldn't we do something to make it last a little longer, for the people in the future. They're humans too, don't you think they wanna live a bit on a nice planet? We know we are going towards over population which would destroy the planet, so some people are gonna stop making humans. Not everyone will go with this movement, obviously. Eradicating all humans would be damn near impossible. The author of that site even said so!

Now my own opinion, I am for this idea! I've always wanted to adopt kids anyway(my original reasons are rather selfish and vain--giving birth hurts a lot and it could ruin your figure!) but then after thinking more, there really are enough humans in the world, and not enough of the kids have parents that love them and care for them the way they need.

Hahaha, TL;DR people: I am for this idea, Gobinu should use full words and care about generations afterward, and humans ruin the planet.

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I made a huge post about how I don't care about gramar and it doesn't mean I don't respect somebody. Still it is just garbage so...
To answer, we ARE (I am gonna use full words since I am talking with you guys and you have problem with ppl et caetera) killing ourselves, in 1973-74 if I am right there was no oil in Europe, german higways were empty in Poland horses were pulling cars. People started useing bikes, after that people did't change a bit, tell me who use public transport instead of cars, maybe bikes? We simply are not able to think about future as far as we care about our comfort. Even if I cared a bit about future humans that would't change much since they wouldn't.
Quote:don't you think they wanna live a bit on a nice planet?
Sure but who wants to do something to make it hapen? It is like with eating, everybody want too look like young god, to be fit & attractive still they eat in McDonnald, MourderKing and dont much care about diet and exercises. Too make it short, everybody want to live in "nice" world giveing nothing in exchange.
Ahh, and I am too young to be serious.

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I don't care about gramar still I will use it a bit cause I am talking with you, people suck.

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So you're not going to do anything because nobody else is going to do anything, and they're not doing anything because they probably don't think anyone else is going to do anything, so... someone just needs to start and be a good example. Some people already have. At the very least, by helping out you'll be able to say you weren't part of the problem, even if it didn't make much of a difference.

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Easy, but what do you want me to do? I wrote somewhere that I am vegetarian, I segregate trash stuff like this, all too feel less guilty cause I still am bastard. But I don't care, I dunno wheter you get me right, all that talking about saveing the planet is about saveing our sorry asses. Earth wuill survive and we... who gives a damn? Maybe we deserve to die? So, I didn't say I won't do something but that people like the way things are and that's terrifying. Sometimes I thing that "good" people are like sick, there is very few of them and we try to kill them/ make them normal. It is like here: http://www.vhemt.org/philrel.htm#worldview
apparently, now I am in hopless anger stage (at leats I think so). Until some huge disaster strikes us and kills 95% of us we won't change. We like to live where we live, work in office, go to church every sunday, save for new extra car/PC and first of all we like to live in dark and let somebody else think instead of us. I can be wrong tho, I will be happy to hear that.

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Well, just do whatever you believe is right. I was under the impression you were purposely not doing the right thing just because nobody else (or not enough people) are also doing the right thing.

It does take a reasonably big crisis to get people to do something... like for example, in South Africa, the electricity company screwed up badly and ended up cutting people's power for a couple hours once a day because they couldn't supply enough. This made a large amount of people actually get interested in saving power and generating their own. So, sure, one person saving power won't save a whole lot, but I guess a big part of the issue is convincing other people to help. You just have to know how to get through their thick skulls first Razz

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Glad to hear that still I am curius what will happen when there will be enough enrgy.
Quote:Well, just do whatever you believe is right.
Yeah, but don't expect any acceptation or help, I can simply see I am weak, and people around me are weak and I don't believe in us, still what else can I do when I have like 80 more years to go (probably). Live in a way you wanna live so you can look in a mirror without vomiting. I will change my mind many times tho as I did before . Now I am waiting for acceptance or maybe hopeful anger stage again.

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Quote:Live in a way you wanna live so you can look in a mirror without vomiting.
That works. As long as you're happy with the person you are, nevermind what other people think.

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itisi2 Wrote:The word intelligent does not belong anywhere near the "words" 'u', 'r', or 'ppl'.

Why should you give a fuck? It's not like the English alphabet is such a great alphabet it demands respect when you type out words on a shitty internet debate.

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well with amnesia affecting about 5% of girls (13-20) in the North America, Europe and Australia I think that breeding will probably slow down.

SoulRiser Wrote:Yeah, whoever wrote the stuff on that site is very intelligent. I'm pretty sure they only called it the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement to grab people's attention more... and aren't totally serious about actually wanting the entire human race to go completely extinct. I don't want the human race to go completely extinct... but everyone and everything on the planet would be better off if there were less of us, especially if there were less irresponsible and stupid humans around. But less in general is good.

so why don't we just stop to irresponsible and stupid humans from breeding?

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Quote:so why don't we just stop to irresponsible and stupid humans from breeding?
How do you propose we stop 90% of the human population from breeding? Laugh

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Quote:so why don't we just stop to irresponsible and stupid humans from breeding?
How do you propose we stop 90% of the human population from breeding? Laugh

I was wondering that same thing.

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Catholic church is trying it's best but doesn't work so far : )

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I happen to like the human race, I feel there's some divinity to it, something to be said about the level of sentience we achieved so far our potential.

However, we definitely need to put a brake on breeding. We'd be find with one billion instead of six. So since the human race won't go extinct, at least not within an imaginable time frame, I kind of like their message if they can convince some people on the fence to abstain from breeding.

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this is a stupid idea. right now humans are our best bet for figuring out the secrets of the universe and surviving the eventual apocalypse. unless the squirrels have a missle capable of shooting down a world-destroying meteor or a ship that can colonize new planets when the sun goes red giant, then humans are vital to Earth. we just need to stop being so goddamn stupid and use our intelligene for something other than comfort/wealth/power.

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Sure but at the same time we are the only one's taht care about "figuring out the secrets of the universe". Why do you think squirrels should care about that?
Again we are on the best way to destruction, maybe we are nature's misteake which she tries to repair now...

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Quote:surviving the eventual apocalypse.
If we don't cause it first, yes...

Quote:unless the squirrels have a missle capable of shooting down a world-destroying meteor or a ship that can colonize new planets when the sun goes red giant, then humans are vital to Earth. we just need to stop being so goddamn stupid and use our intelligene for something other than comfort/wealth/power.
I'm not sure, but right now I'm leaning towards it being more likely for squirrels to make missiles than for humans to stop caring about comfort/wealth/power. Laugh

Okay fine, maybe not. Humans just do whatever their leaders want them to, so if intelligent people took over as leaders... and somehow managed to NOT succumb to the power... then maybe we have a chance.

I still vote for the squirrels though. Razz

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that's what pisses me off about humanity so much. they have the power to do incredible things but they use that power so insanely irresponsably. a lot of big changes need to be made, but i just don't think eliminating the human race altogether is the answer.

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Quote:they have the power to do incredible things but they use that power so insanely irresponsably. a lot of big changes need to be made, but i just don't think eliminating the human race altogether is the answer.
You are absolutely right. But I think if the population was growing at a slower rate, it'd do some good as well. (I'm pretty sure they mainly called it the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement to attract attention to themselves)...

Also, people who don't have kids will probably have a lot more free time they could use for useful stuff (if they don't waste it watching TV or pursuing some mindless career, that is).

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well let me start by saying that i dont like the human species. population control is important, but at the same time i feel rebellious towards telling ppl how many kids to have. i wish there were a way to regulate it just by ppl only having kids if they were a family, like, two ppl that wanted to stay together forever. this way we wouldnt have foster homes filled up with the result of the thousands of stupid ppl that get knocked up and regret it. deciding to just stop reproducing entirly is, aside from being impossible, not right, and will just make things bad in a differant way. actually this whole thing makes me think of another thing which i will start a thread on so....yeah

back to this topic kinda, i feel weird because i want to have a child of my own, but i feel bad for bringing yet another life into this crowded world. i only want one though, then i'll adopt, or at least those are my plans for now...

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I think that we should just allow people to die naturally. Have you ever read "Ishmael"? It's a book by Daniel Quinn and it describes in more detail what I'm about to explain.

We stretch food and land thin by:
1) Hauling more food than we need (IE- owning cattle ranches, and killing any hungry coyotes trying to eat)
2) perpetuating diseases and those of old age.

I don't mean to sound cruel...but population would go down significantly if we would just live life through the saying, "Survival of the fittest". Those old and sickly must die for the good of the Earth.This is not to say it need be done in a disrespectful way.

If we took what we needed, and nothing more, the balance of the food chain would be restored. There's no need to stop doin' teh nasty.
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Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

hmmm, yeah, apparently there are thousands of ppl at least that are on life support, barely living... idk though, it seems logical but then i know ppl who have loved ones like that...its hard, a big difference between us and most other animals is that we are ruled by emotions much of the time, and then sometimes by logic, but who's to say which is right to go by? i think u have to mix the two, but it doesnt make it any less difficult or confusing.

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Quote:Those old and sickly must die for the good of the Earth.This is not to say it need be done in a disrespectful way.
You can keep people alive in a very disrespectful way too. My grandmother had Alzheimer's and was kind of barely hanging on by a thread, but the nurse people did their utmost to keep her alive long after she refused to eat. It was pretty obvious to me she just wanted to be left alone and get out of this world already. So yeah, I think I totally get what you're saying here. Razz

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