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Love- Does it exsist?
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Love- Does it exsist?

I have heard a bunch of oppinions on this and wonder what all of you have to say about it.
SO, Do yo think love, whether maturnal, paternal, passionate love (although most love tends to be, but I couldn't think of another way to put the love between a couple), or any other kind of love you can come up with, exsists? Or you think that love is just an illusion created by instincts and lust?

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

Love isn't anything "spiritual" or something to do with your "soul"--it's the glue that bonds people together to help keep the species going. It's a reaction of chemicals in the brain.

Maternal love: obvious. Babies are so annoying and smelly that there's got to be some kind of connection there, otherwise the mom would just abandon the kid. This actually happens with animals (and people) even with the maternal instinct.

Paternal love: Most animal fathers eat their babies; it's only because humans are so advanced that fathers can really have love for their children. There are exceptions (seahorses?) but on the most part maternal love is far stronger.

Romantic love: Doesn't last. Ever. Look at a couple who've been married 30 years... maybe they haven't grown to hate each other and they still get along, but it's mostly cause they've learned to ignore their differences. It's only today that we somehow think that passionate consuming lust is supposed to last tfor fucking decades, and thus so many more couples are divorcing.

Two people just can't live together for that long--their "love" lasts only about as long as it's necessary for them to stay together for their kids's sake; again, for the survival of the species. Human children are unusually dependent enough to warrant a few years, but after that? Forget it.

Marriage helps this fall apart even faster because they're cooped up together...see the same person's face long enough, knowing you're stuck with them, and you begin to hate them.

And anyway, romantic love is taken for granted today. In ancient times, for the most part, you married someone you didn't love and had kids and sucked it up. Perhaps you began to love them (not passionately, just liking them as a person) after a few years of being together, even though you didn't get married for love. The opposite of that is what happens nowadays, stuff you hear with celebrities, which is why it falls apart.

TL;DR: Love exists but it's nothing special, doesn't last, and mostly based on lust.

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence.
Mencken

It exists about as much as justice or equality and no true love is a pipes dream.

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

If it does it is just so raw of an emotion that humans can't even begin to describe.

That's also why it's probably some epitome of what people strive for, something unexplainable and simply amazing.

Anything that ever happened or will... one condition, it has to be amazing.

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

Love is a fundamental, sentimental learned behavior.
We are trained by society to aspire to love. When few know what it actually means, and most only do it to fit in.
It does really fuck us though. It ruins sex, relationships, and a whole bunch of shit.
Love is basically you becoming emotionally, or deeply personally attached to something, exhibiting things like care, and passion.
That's all it truly is, and I don't understand why it's so worshipped in society. It makes people really stupid, and puts intellect at the backdoor.
I don't think it's healthy to truly love something other than yourself, because all you have is you in the end.
Things without the added force of love, will appear as they really are, infinite.

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

"love is a form of chaos that has been socially accepted into modern civilization."

It's just chemicals.
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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

All valid points! But one thing:
hatemylifeiwanttodie Wrote:Love is a fundamental, sentimental learned behavior.
We are trained by society to aspire to love. When few know what it actually means, and most only do it to fit in.

Why would society pressure people to love? I mean, I understand the pressure now, but where was the reason in it for it to first start?

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Power?
'"love" is the greatest force I have ever known. Either love, or Nazi Germany.'

It's just chemicals.
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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

Why would society start "loving" people who not related to them for purposes other than reproduction?

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

Love is something most people never really experience in their whole lives. Humans are kind of stupid about it, honestly. For other critters it seems to be easier to understand. But humans... no, they have to try and classify it into different "types" of love, or they have to argue about whether it's spiritual or chemical... and they try to make up all sorts of rules about what's acceptable and what's not... and they try to get people to limit their love, by shoving it into arrangements like marriage and whatnot...

Who cares?
That's all dumb.

Think about it like this:
Look at a puppy or a kitten... (assuming you generally like puppies and kittens, that is)... what is it about a puppy or kitten that makes you want to hug it? I mean, what can you possibly gain from it, apart from a warm fuzzy feeling? Nothing. There is no way that can "advance the species" or get you any kind of logical benefit whatsoever... that is love. Not the chemical shit that makes you horny and want to create more human spawn. Not the built-in chemical stuff that makes a normally sane human mother want to hug and care for a disgusting filthy human wormbaby... (yes, I have been watching Invader Zim lately, in case you're wondering). Not the weird whateverthefuckitis effect that completely overrides a human's braincells and deludes them into believing Person X is the most awesomesauce person ever and that they can't possibly live without them and will die if they can't be with them forever and ever... none of that crap is really love at all.

Real love is quite simple though. So simple that people overlook it in favour of all that other bullshit listed above. Stupid filthy humans always want to over-analyze everything. Well, let them have fun with all their "maternal love" and marriage and 'OMGHEBROKEUPWITHMEIMGONNADIE' nonsense.

If you wanna know what love is, ask your dog.

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Quote:Look at a puppy or a kitten... (assuming you generally like puppies and kittens, that is)... what is it about a puppy or kitten that makes you want to hug it?
Your maternal instinct (also true for guys--paternal) because it's so helpless. Women are hardwired to want to nurture things, and the more helpless they are, the stronger our drive...therefore baby pandas = adorable, baby tasmanian devils = not so much.

What you were describing about a bond with a dog, that's friendship, and there can be a friendship sort of bond thing. That's the kind of love that CAN last, because it's not based on an urge to procreate. (hopefully.) It's more companionship.

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Re: Love- Does it exsist?

Actually, yes. Why didn't I think of saying that? Friendship = love. Easier to explain than the other puppy stuff I came up with. Razz

Although a lot of people get friendship horribly wrong as well, so that could also confuse them. Meh.

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I have no doubt love exists. Because its how we understand, and how we try not to....

Lay down on some beach for an entire day and just stare at the sky. At the end of the day I triple dog dare you to explain how you don't find an innate and intimate connection to the world. People can try to say the sky is nothing but chemical reaction and newton's playground...

But I truly believe, that as long as there is a sky to look up on. There can be no doubt that by nightfall the stars are our reflection.

And I'm sure that connects to love in some way. *looks both ways*

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itsurgrlcass Wrote:Power?
'"love" is the greatest force I have ever known. Either love, or Nazi Germany.'
Holy shit, at last I understand this...

It seems people can't stop reproducing. Even in the most fucked up dictatorships, in the worst possible conditions, they never stop. I most likely, however, would... actually, I don't want any children at all, except maybe adopting.
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