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Are intellegent people born from hard times?
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Are intellegent people born from hard times?

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Re: Are intellegent people born from hard times?

I don't think there's any connection between intelligence and how hard a person's life is. I suppose people with a perfect life might be less likely to think outside the box (since their box is already so nice)...but I think intelligence has nothing to do with social class or family life.

Quote:I've seen a lot of people who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and have perfect lives, turn into total ignorant douchebags.
Ignorance is not lack of intelligence, it's lack of knowledge. Intelligent people can very well be ignorant, too. Maybe a difficult life makes people more knowledgeable about the realities of things, whereas a sheltered life keeps them ignorant.

I think intelligence is mainly an inborn thing (and there are different types of it too). We're all intelligent in different ways. Our experiences either bring that intelligence to the surface or bury it beneath self-doubt and brainwashing. The intelligence is always there (or not there, depending on the person); the circumstances of our lives just decide whether or not the rest of the world sees it.
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I agree with dreamer. Intelligence has nothing to do with your situation. Just your attitude and outlook, but not intelligence.

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Re: Are intellegent people born from hard times?

Ok, when I'm going through a tough time, I look things up, i focu on larning things I won't be taught, so maybe it does in some cases.

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Re: Are intellegent people born from hard times?

I agree that intelligence probably isn't an optimum word choice. I'm thinking of a word between knowledge and wisdom but it isn't enlightenment. If anyone wants to tell me what I'm thinking of, the prize is my entire stash of pot.

Which is mostly non-existent.

Not everyone grows from hard times, but those that do gain a certain...awareness. Because we learn from experience and scars. It's always hard to word this but I'm glad I experienced death of a loved one when I was young. I'm glad I was bullied. Because I have battle scars so to speak now. When people die, I mourn and I recover. Sometimes quicker than others. Unlike some of my close friends who's grandparents are getting sick and they're getting petrified because they've never had to deal with death before.

It's not smart/dim, intelligent/stupid. It's a kind of knowledge that comes from life experience.

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Well, I have heard that every self-made rich person has gone bankrupt at one point in their life...

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Quote:I'm thinking of a word between knowledge and wisdom but it isn't enlightenment.
Insight? Common sense?


I think people increase their intelligence by thinking a lot. So if your life circumstances lead you to spend a lot of time thinking, the odds of you getting better at it are reasonably good. You get different kinds of intelligence depending on what you think about... so yeah, if you think about life a lot, you gain some kind of "life intelligence"... which I don't have a better term for.

Well, it depends. You can be intelligent, and gain experience from bad things that happen to you, but you can also take it in a really bad way and be worse off because of it. You either use that knowledge to rise above the heap of crap that got dumped on you, or you sit there and drown in it.


But yeah, to get back to the point... If I was never bullied and all that, I would be a different person, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be an improvement.

Maybe it'd be more accurate to say that people who have hard lives are more likely to become good people? ... actually most of them probably end up as bad as the people who made their lives hard... nevermind.. Having a hard life makes people more likely to become different than the average... in either a good or a bad way.

I'm rambling now, so I'm gonna shut up.

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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! i wrote a really freeking long response and it disapeared! ugh, i'll re write later, have to go outside and "get some sun" Yuck

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You can't measure intelligence.

So I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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i think that some people see these events as lessons and not as this and this happened to me whine whine whine,so they try to use the knowledge to better themselves.and people that go through shit usually strive to make a difference so their lives can be better as well as others lives.while on the other hand people who have a perfect life don't have anything to fix or strive for,whatever you want to call it.

Telling people to do something without giving a reason compels them to rebel not to obey-Avenger

We need to learn not to be afraid of making mistakes all the time-Avenger

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"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Or wiser. Or the applicable word of your choice.

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Genius and work ethic have a correlation, but I don't think its because they come from hard times. A lot of great mathematicians, philosophers, scientists, and theorists have come from quite the opposite:aristocracy with much time to fool around since you don't have to work.

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Intelligent*

I think that people born from hard times have a certain insight, but many people born from hard times aren't intelligent at all (like me.) They just waste their life thinking they'll never amount to anything.

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I think that people who have been through harder situations know how to appretiate life more, to where as a "spoon fed" person doesn't have as much experience & knowledge.

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Are intelligent people born from hard times?

no, but Bette Davis was.

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intellegent

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Intelligent people are not born from hard times.
But hard time can be born from, otherwise, intelligent people.

And from those hard times come... MacGyver!

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Not really. A lot of supposedly intelligent people tend to come from wealthy aristocratic backgrounds which enabled them to have good genes, good eduation, so forth. By genes I don't mean that rich people are genetically superior, but good genes as in good inheritance. Intelligence is hard to really measure since there are probably 40 to 50 different intelligences.

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And you have to consider the fact that the average person only uses 6% of their brain.

That dumb kid whp you sit beside you in class and throws food in the lunch room may have the potential to be smarter than you.
Kind of sad.

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http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

You are right, Wolf.
The funny thing was I saw it on a poster at school.

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dogman32 Wrote:http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

You are right, Wolf.
The funny thing was I saw it on a poster at school.

Schools are nothing more than buildings of disinformation. Question everything...and I mean everything you receive from school.

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I SHALL QUESTION GRAVITY!

School teaches you a lot. The curriculm is most always based on sound science.
The thing you should question is the authority of the teachers, staff, etc. They are there to train you to obey.

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