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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:47 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote: Subtle emotions don't have any less weight than vocal ones.
Nice legs, Daisy Dukes,
Makes a man go (whistles),
That's the way they all come through like (whistles),
Low-cut, see-through shirts that make ya (whistles),
That's the way she come through like (whistles)
Well if an animal does have a say in something, we should listen to the inevitable vocal sounds it will make. How are you to simply assume something based off of nothing? Shall I also assume people can transform into wolves despite that if that were so, shouldn't someone have done it already?
Also I hate that song.
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Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:51 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
(01-16-2012 04:47 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote: Subtle emotions don't have any less weight than vocal ones.
Nice legs, Daisy Dukes,
Makes a man go (whistles),
That's the way they all come through like (whistles),
Low-cut, see-through shirts that make ya (whistles),
That's the way she come through like (whistles)
Well if an animal does have a say in something, we should listen to the inevitable vocal sounds it will make. How are you to simply assume something based off of nothing? Shall I also assume people can transform into wolves despite that if that were so, shouldn't someone have done it already?
Also I hate that song.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:51 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
(01-16-2012 04:47 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote: Subtle emotions don't have any less weight than vocal ones.
Nice legs, Daisy Dukes,
Makes a man go (whistles),
That's the way they all come through like (whistles),
Low-cut, see-through shirts that make ya (whistles),
That's the way she come through like (whistles)
Well if an animal does have a say in something, we should listen to the inevitable vocal sounds it will make. How are you to simply assume something based off of nothing? Shall I also assume people can transform into wolves despite that if that were so, shouldn't someone have done it already?
Also I hate that song.
You are assuming that animals only communicate vocally.
Please do not resist my attempts to serenade you.
(Cause I) Just set them up Just set them up
Just set them up
To knock them down
(Cause I) Just set them up Just set them up
Just set them up
To knock them down
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
LOLNO. If an animal wants you off, it WILL do something. It may not be able to consent verbally positively, but it can consent negatively verbally.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:37 AM)Sociopath Wrote: Oh please, as if sex with animals is anything near aggressive
Animals can show emotions obviously, its NOT hard to look at it. If a cat yelps loudly when you step on its tail, are you just going to assume a person is ignorant enough to claim that the cat is only doing that because maybe thats the sound it makes when it wants to go outside? Obviously, no. Its doing it because it is in pain.
Ayliana, unless you have something to actually contribute, please kindly get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. ooh, and one for my dog, too. Thanks.
Sociopath hun we've been through this. I only make sammiches for my man. You need to get yourself your own woman to make your sammiches and it needs to be one with opposable thumbs.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:55 AM)Sociopath Wrote: LOLNO. If an animal wants you off, it WILL do something. It may not be able to consent verbally positively, but it can consent negatively verbally.
What if the animal expresses disapproval in a subtle way and you do not pick up on it because you are a human
what then
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:57 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 04:55 AM)Sociopath Wrote: LOLNO. If an animal wants you off, it WILL do something. It may not be able to consent verbally positively, but it can consent negatively verbally.
What if the animal expresses disapproval in a subtle way and you do not pick up on it because you are a human
what then
How and why would an animal do that? And isn't it just as safe to assume that since an animal has the power to express disapproval, and yet it isn't going to, that it doesn't feel the need because it is in pleasure?
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:08 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
(01-16-2012 04:57 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 04:55 AM)Sociopath Wrote: LOLNO. If an animal wants you off, it WILL do something. It may not be able to consent verbally positively, but it can consent negatively verbally.
What if the animal expresses disapproval in a subtle way and you do not pick up on it because you are a human
what then
How and why would an animal do that? And isn't it just as safe to assume that since an animal has the power to express disapproval, and yet it isn't going to, that it doesn't feel the need because it is in pleasure?
Wait
Do you honestly think that an animal cannot express feelings in ways that humans cannot pick up on
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 04:57 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 04:55 AM)Sociopath Wrote: LOLNO. If an animal wants you off, it WILL do something. It may not be able to consent verbally positively, but it can consent negatively verbally.
What if the animal expresses disapproval in a subtle way and you do not pick up on it because you are a human
what then
Lol que?
Does a dog react subtly if you step on it's tail?
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
Quote:Do you honestly think that an animal cannot express feelings in ways that humans cannot pick up on
Yes. Are you to assume they do just because?
Am I also to assume that my dog is extremely depressed even though he wags his tail when I step in the room, and goes outside and plays frisbee with me?
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:15 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
Quote:Do you honestly think that an animal cannot express feelings in ways that humans cannot pick up on
Yes. Are you to assume they do just because?
Am I also to assume that my dog is extremely depressed even though he wags his tail when I step in the room, and goes outside and plays frisbee with me?
Now you are suggesting that animals do not express their emotions in ways that humans cannot pick up on because they know they cannot pick up on them.
Perhaps animals don't understand what humans do and do not understand?
(also, it's pretty neat that you have a dog! What's his name? :3)
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:20 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 05:15 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
Quote:Do you honestly think that an animal cannot express feelings in ways that humans cannot pick up on
Yes. Are you to assume they do just because?
Am I also to assume that my dog is extremely depressed even though he wags his tail when I step in the room, and goes outside and plays frisbee with me?
Now you are suggesting that animals do not express their emotions in ways that humans cannot pick up on because they know they cannot pick up on them.
Perhaps animals don't understand what humans do and do not understand?
(also, it's pretty neat that you have a dog! What's his name? :3)
It matter not if animals understand people; only that people understand animals. My point still stands: if the animal doesn't want sex, they would try and do something. If a dog wants food, it begs. If a dog wants outside, it scratches at the back door. If a dog is hot, it pants and sticks its tongue out. And if a dog doesn't want sex, it will fight back, run away, yelp etc.
I think you mean to assume animals have some imaginary "extra emotions" that is somehow out of our area of grasping the concept. But nevertheless, the burden of proof doesn't rely on those who deny a claim, rather, the burden of proof relies on those who ASSERT a claim (you). So unless you can give me some intricate animal neuro-scientific theory that has a shread of proof, you really have nothing to support these "imaginary emotions" (just like god!)
and the dog was just an example; I dont have one.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:27 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
(01-16-2012 05:20 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 05:15 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
Quote:Do you honestly think that an animal cannot express feelings in ways that humans cannot pick up on
Yes. Are you to assume they do just because?
Am I also to assume that my dog is extremely depressed even though he wags his tail when I step in the room, and goes outside and plays frisbee with me?
Now you are suggesting that animals do not express their emotions in ways that humans cannot pick up on because they know they cannot pick up on them.
Perhaps animals don't understand what humans do and do not understand?
(also, it's pretty neat that you have a dog! What's his name? :3)
It matter not if animals understand people; only that people understand animals. My point still stands: if the animal doesn't want sex, they would try and do something. If a dog wants food, it begs. If a dog wants outside, it scratches at the back door. If a dog is hot, it pants and sticks its tongue out. And if a dog doesn't want sex, it will fight back, run away, yelp etc.
I think you mean to assume animals have some imaginary "extra emotions" that is somehow out of our area of grasping the concept. But nevertheless, the burden of proof doesn't rely on those who deny a claim, rather, the burden of proof relies on those who ASSERT a claim (you). So unless you can give me some intricate animal neuro-scientific theory that has a shread of proof, you really have nothing to support these "imaginary emotions" (just like god!)
RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
That really is not a premise for believing animals have emotions that people cannot understand. All that article was about is whether animals have emotions or not, not the REAL question of whether animals have emotions people cannot understand.
What you are doing is simply assuming that an animal doesn't want to have sex but it cannot communicate this in a way that people can understand, or simply, it doesn't want to communicate at all. We can't simply assume this. We know the signs for positivity and negativity in animals and we have neurological projections that SHOW certain brain patterns responding positively and negatively in laboratory tests based upon certain interaction between humans and other animals. If they had different emotions, parts of their brain expressing said emotion would be highlighted but its not. So are suggesting there is some sort of "ghost" emotion that doesn't show up on them? That's ridiculous.
Also, what about the pleasure that a dog and human share? Moreover, if a dog wants to have sex with a person by freely letting it, then denying a human to have sexual relations with a dog is not only infringing upon the freedom of the human, but of the dog as well.
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:43 AM)Sociopath Wrote: That really is not a premise for believing animals have emotions that people cannot understand. All that article was about is whether animals have emotions or not, not the REAL question of whether animals have emotions people cannot understand.
What you ar5e doing is simply assuming that an animal doesn't want to have sex but it cannot communicate this in a way that people can understand, or simply, it doesn't want to communicate at all. We can't simply assume this. We know the signs for positivity and negativity in animals and we have neurological projections that SHOW certain brain patterns responding positively and negatively in laboratory tests based upon certain interaction between humans and other animals. If they had different emotions, parts of their brain expressing said emotion would be highlighted but its not. So are suggesting there is some sort of "ghost" emotion that doesn't show up on them? That's ridiculous.
Also, what about the pleasure that a dog and human share? Moreover, if a dog wants to have sex with a person by freely letting it, then denying a human to have sexual relations with a dog is not only infringing upon the freedom of the human, but of the dog as well.
Ok, we are misunderstanding each other.
Animals have the same emotions humans do. Humans cannot understand how these animals express these quite simple emotions because we do not understand the complex cues.
Someone looking to have sex with an animal is not going to pull up a brain scan to make sure that they are enjoying it. They are going to be influenced by their own bias.
Animals do not solicit humans for sex (except for dolphins, for whom sex is a common social activity and integral to the preservation of the pod) "Leg humping" is not an expression of sexual desire but one of dominance; dogs will often mount each other to express dominance.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:48 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote: Ok, we are misunderstanding each other.
Animals have the same emotions humans do. Humans cannot understand how these animals express these quite simple emotions because we do not understand the complex cues.
Someone looking to have sex with an animal is not going to pull up a brain scan to make sure that they are enjoying it. They are going to be influenced by their own bias.
Animals do not solicit humans for sex (except for dolphins, for whom sex is a common social activity and integral to the preservation of the pod) "Leg humping" is not an expression of sexual desire but one of dominance; dogs will often mount each other to express dominance.
There is no "human bias"; if an emotion is triggered, it will highlight a certain portion of the brain which in turn gives off electrical brain impulses. That is a clear cut fact. And it is the same for humans.
Are you seriously suggesting a bunch of highly-trained professional canine neuroscientists who have done millions of brains scans for dogs are all somehow simultaneously lying? What would be the motivation for that? Should we assume that if we withold food from a dog that the dog will be unable to communicate if it needs food? Of course not, we can tell.
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Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 05:57 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
(01-16-2012 05:48 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote: Ok, we are misunderstanding each other.
Animals have the same emotions humans do. Humans cannot understand how these animals express these quite simple emotions because we do not understand the complex cues.
Someone looking to have sex with an animal is not going to pull up a brain scan to make sure that they are enjoying it. They are going to be influenced by their own bias.
Animals do not solicit humans for sex (except for dolphins, for whom sex is a common social activity and integral to the preservation of the pod) "Leg humping" is not an expression of sexual desire but one of dominance; dogs will often mount each other to express dominance.
There is no "human bias"; if an emotion is triggered, it will highlight a certain portion of the brain which in turn gives off electrical brain impulses. That is a clear cut fact. And it is the same for humans.
Are you seriously suggesting a bunch of highly-trained professional canine neuroscientists who have done millions of brains scans for dogs are all somehow simultaneously lying? What would be the motivation for that? Should we assume that if we withold food from a dog that the dog will be unable to communicate if it needs food? Of course not, we can tell.
No, I am not stating that a neuroscientist is misinforming us, but that a zoophile could misinterpret his dog's submission as sexual pleasure.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
Well if a dog pants, gets higher blood pressure, and ejaculates. That clearly shows that it is deriving pleasure. Those signs are not hard to miss.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 06:02 AM)Sociopath Wrote: Well if a dog pants, gets higher blood pressure, and ejaculates. That clearly shows that it is deriving pleasure. Those signs are not hard to miss.
Physical pleasure =/= consent
Many (human) rape victims have expressed guilt at having a pleasurable physical experience during rape while having a negative psychological one.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
That's different, they didn't have a choice.
Its still consented, but I don't mean tie down a dog. Just arouse it and if it goes along with it than it is OK. Lack of negative emotions gives the same consent as acknowledged positive emotions. Even silence is consent.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote: That's different, they didn't have a choice.
Its still consented, but I don't mean tie down a dog. Just arouse it and if it goes along with it than it is OK. Lack of negative emotions gives the same consent as acknowledged positive emotions. Even silence is consent.
(01-16-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote:Even silence is consent.
RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-15-2012 10:24 PM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-15-2012 08:36 PM)Fish Wrote: Beastiality should be O.K. as long as the animal is consenting. You can tell its not because it'l fucking bite your dick off/destroy you/scrtch you etc.
Animals CAN'T consent. All this "non-verbal communication" stuff is bunk, and if you start letting people pounce on whatever they want to, what's to stop them from raping a child? "They enjoyed it, so it MUST have been ok!"
A pleasurable physical reaction to rape =/= consent.
WTF are you on bro? Animals ARE NOT HUMAN. They rape each other by our definition. A person into bestiality should be allowed to have sex with animals as long as the animal enjoys it. An animals says "No" by whining, running away, biting, etc etc.
Roosters rape chickens. They fucking peck their heads while fucking them as the chicken frantically tries to get away. OMG let's arrest roosters!
Raping a child? You using children as an emotional pull will not work here. Just saying.
RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions?
(01-16-2012 06:12 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote: That's different, they didn't have a choice.
Its still consented, but I don't mean tie down a dog. Just arouse it and if it goes along with it than it is OK. Lack of negative emotions gives the same consent as acknowledged positive emotions. Even silence is consent.
(01-16-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote:Even silence is consent.
Its only rape if its rejected. But if they dont try to least defend themselves then they're fair game. If a person is so goddamn lazy to even open their mouths to say "I don't want to have sex with you" then if they get "raped" its their own goddamn fault.
Quote:What if a dog sucks my dick. What then?
lol. Well, then that depends on if YOU consent to it. The dog obviously already has.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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(01-16-2012 06:12 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:
(01-15-2012 10:24 PM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-15-2012 08:36 PM)Fish Wrote: Beastiality should be O.K. as long as the animal is consenting. You can tell its not because it'l fucking bite your dick off/destroy you/scrtch you etc.
Animals CAN'T consent. All this "non-verbal communication" stuff is bunk, and if you start letting people pounce on whatever they want to, what's to stop them from raping a child? "They enjoyed it, so it MUST have been ok!"
A pleasurable physical reaction to rape =/= consent.
WTF are you on bro? Animals ARE NOT HUMAN. They rape each other by our definition. A person into bestiality should be allowed to have sex with animals as long as the animal enjoys it. An animals says "No" by whining, running away, biting, etc etc.
Roosters rape chickens. They fucking peck their heads while fucking them as the chicken frantically tries to get away. OMG let's arrest roosters!
Raping a child? You using children as an emotional pull will not work here. Just saying.
According to your post, animals being raped in the wild still don't enjoy it, so there's no point for someone who claims to love animals to rape them.
(and then before that you say that animals can enjoy sex? so what exactly is the difference between sex and rape for animals?)
I used child rape as an example because children, like animals cannot consent.
(01-21-2012 10:42 PM)BaronVonStrangle Wrote: homestuck more like homeSUCK
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children have the mental capacity to verbally consent. And its NOT rape. Hell, even animals don't verbally consent. A male dog walks up behind a female and starts fucking her, no verbal consent at all, she goes along with it and they both get pleasure. Why should this be any different if a HUMAN does it?
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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Quote:According to your post, animals being raped in the wild still don't enjoy it, so there's no point for someone who claims to love animals to rape them.
(and then before that you say that animals can enjoy sex? so what exactly is the difference between sex and rape for animals?)
My point was that people should be allowed to fuck animals. Humans should exercise human responsibility. Banning sex because animals can't "speak consent" is stupid. That was my point. Harming animals should still be illegal. You thinking all sex is harmful is from your own anti-sex attitudes. Sexual activity doesn't have inherent harm. You can thank religion for that view.
Quote:I used child rape as an example because children, like animals cannot consent.
Do not bring child sexuality into any topic ever. It is a trump card people pull because who in their right mind would argue against the status quo without being behind anonymous proxy? Not to mention children DO NOT EQUAL animals. Stop insulting children. Sorry animal lovers.
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(01-16-2012 06:14 AM)Sociopath Wrote:
(01-16-2012 06:12 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:
(01-16-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote: That's different, they didn't have a choice.
Its still consented, but I don't mean tie down a dog. Just arouse it and if it goes along with it than it is OK. Lack of negative emotions gives the same consent as acknowledged positive emotions. Even silence is consent.
(01-16-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote:Even silence is consent.
Its only rape if its rejected. But if they dont try to least defend themselves then they're fair game. If a person is so goddamn lazy to even open their mouths to say "I don't want to have sex with you" then if they get "raped" its their own goddamn fault.
Quote:What if a dog sucks my dick. What then?
lol. Well, then that depends on if YOU consent to it. The dog obviously already has.
Ugh I seriously can't deal with this anymore!!!!!
THIS is the reason that rape culture still exist, because people don't want to accept that fact that MAYB-E they might be rapists, and MAYB-E their right to get their jollies isn't more important than other creature's rights!!!!