Abortion is sick

[sonoftheking]

Why should anyone be allowed to decide if a baby gets to live or not? I understand that the mother might not want or be able to care for her baby if it was rape/other unwanted pregnancy, but the baby should be put up for adoption, it's not the baby's fault that their mother was raped or impregnated against her will. It's the father's fault, and he should be executed, not the child.

And the sick bullshit nonsense claims like "It's doesn't count as a person until it's born," "It's a fetus," treating and talking about a baby human like a tumor to be dissected is so damn sick and wrong.

If it's not a person, what is it, a cow? Why do we even call unborn babies fetuses, like they're some dead thing? That's such an ugly word, it sounds like feces.

[Fire Elf]

[Sunbourn]

I give this troll a 2/10.

[thewake]

sonoftheking Wrote:Why should anyone be allowed to decide if a baby gets to live or not? I understand that the mother might not want or be able to care for her baby if it was rape/other unwanted pregnancy, but the baby should be put up for adoption, it's not the baby's fault that their mother was raped or impregnated against her will. It's the father's fault, and he should be executed, not the child.

And the sick bullshit nonsense claims like "It's doesn't count as a person until it's born," "It's a fetus," treating and talking about a baby human like a tumor to be dissected is so damn sick and wrong.

If it's not a person, what is it, a cow? Why do we even call unborn babies fetuses, like they're some dead thing? That's such an ugly word, it sounds like feces.

I totally agree.

People say it is a woman's right, but is it really anyone's right to decide if a human being(it has human DNA) gots to live or not?

Towards pro-choicers: With all your liberal "enlightenment" did you ever think to address this? It may be a choice, but should it be anyone's choice but God's?

[Fire Elf]

Well, I could post a full-size dismantling, but I'm doing other stuff at the time. And I'm quite convinced this user is trolling.

[thewake]

There just has to be a certain high level of moral decay in a society for a large number of people in it to support killing babies.
America fits the bill.

[Fire Elf]

dogman32 Wrote:There just has to be a certain high level of moral decay in a society for a large number of people in it to support killing babies.
America fits the bill.

Oh please. If you think America the land of bible-beaters and religious politics "fits the bill"? You're pretty much the only part of the world that really sees anything wrong with it.

But then, in most of the world we know abortion is killing a parasite, not a baby. A country needs to be filled to the brim with freedom hating religious wackos to not get this. America does in fact "fit the bill" for that. Other countries that do include Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[thewake]

How is this lifeform a parasite when it is created by the body of the mother?

And you never addressed my question:
"How would you like it if you had been aborted?"

I'm not talking about religious morals, I'm talking about morals in general. You know, like not killing people(fetuses are people, in my book). In fact most of the "Bible-Beaters" out there are charlatans looking to make a quick buck(televangelists, people who stalk you to meet your "dues")
Just because this fetus isn't as developed as us doesn't mean it isn't a person. Are children not people? Are babies not people? Why can't humans in the womb be considered people too?
Why?

[thewake]

Very similar to the fetus of a chicken, turtle, or nearly any other animal.

But I don't base who gets personhood on looks, all that qualifies them is their DNA. If I did that a lot of ugly people would be "aborted" with a shotgun.

And I promise I didn't Google it. I'm not your average "pro-lifer".

[Fire Elf]

Quote:"How would you like it if you had been aborted?"

I would have never existed, so it's not something that can be answered. And me not exesting would not matter, there would still have been other people in the world that could have later become "26". You're better of asking this question to some-one who cares about their life.

Quote:I'm not talking about religious morals, I'm talking about morals in general.

Morals are a very subjective thing, varying from cultures and relgions and stuff like that. There is no such thing as morals in general.

Quote:You know, like not killing people(fetuses are people, in my book).

And there goes the subjectivity again. Your book, but how many other books?

Quote: In fact most of the "Bible-Beaters" out there are charlatans looking to make a quick buck(televangelists, people who stalk you to meet your "dues")

Strange. I always though that most bible-beaters were the type that shoot up clinics, counter-demonstated at gay rights and womens rights events, and generally try to shove their ideas of "morals" down other people's throats.

Quote:Just because this fetus isn't as developed as us doesn't mean it isn't a person.

Well, it lacks many of the defining features of a person, so no, it's not a person.

Quote:Are children not people? Are babies not people?

Well, they have features that fetuses don't...

Quote: Why can't humans in the womb be considered people too?
Why?

Because they're not really humans.

[thewake]

@ You getting out of my first question: You know what I meant, would you like to have been killed the first few weeks you were alive?

@ Them not being humans: Why aren't they humans? They have our DNA, they live in the bodies of our women and will someday look just like us. Just because they don't have a developed nervous system? Don't you ever think there is a little more to being a person than "looking like one"? Maybe there's a little something special about us!
Maybe life is precious.

[Fire Elf]

dogman32 Wrote:@ You getting out of my first question: You know what I meant, would you like to have been killed the first few weeks you were alive?

Oh, but that's a different question, as i do not consider that to be part of my life, so you'd really be asking "me" about being "killed" a few months later. Hell, I don't consider anything from before 2003 as part of my current "life".

[thewake]

I know how that feels. We all used to be different people...

But what if your life had "never happened", and you had right now to tell me if that wouldn't be pretty freaking stupid. Would you not consider it unjust your mom aborted you?

[SoulRiser]

Quote:It's the father's fault, and he should be executed, not the child.

Sorry, you fail. Execution is just as sick as abortion, if not more so, because it affects more than just a handful of people, depending on how many people the executed person knew in their lifetime.

As for "abortion is sick" - I agree. But making it illegal causes more sick things to happen than what it solves, so it's better off being legal.

[mudkip liek]

Quote:Towards pro-choicers: With all your liberal "enlightenment" did you ever think to address this? It may be a choice, but should it be anyone's choice but God's?

BULLSHIT.

Some of us don't believe in "god".

I'm sick of people saying all this shit about abortion. Do you know how it fucking feels to get raped? Do ya? I didn't think so. Come back again after you've tried it. If not, then shut the fuck up.

Quote:"How would you like it if you had been aborted?"

HAHAHAHA, that doesn't make sense. I'd be fucking dead. I wouldn't know or care.

Edit: to dogman32, I feel like I was being too harsh so I apologize. I'm serious.

[thewake]

@ SoulRiser:
Yeah execution is bad. I totally agree.

But how does making abortions illegal cause more harm than good? If people do want an abortion they have to go into a cruddy, slimy, dirty "doctor's office" to get it done illegally. They deserve that.

@ chemistryhater:
I don't know what it feels like to be raped, but maybe that is an advantage.
You see, since I'm not biased that way I can safely say I am making a nonpartial choice about the sanctity of human life. Even if the mother was raped it was not the child's fault. Wasn't and never would be. Why kill an innocent human?

And I meant God as in "fate". Like:
"It is God's will for me to die."
"It is fate for me to die."

I accept your apology, but it was not needed. We can all be harsh about our belifs sometimes, especially if we are passionate. Besides, it is the Internet.

[Lucie]

dogman32 Wrote:@ SoulRiser:
Yeah execution is bad. I totally agree.

But how does making abortions illegal cause more harm than good? If people do want an abortion they have to go into a cruddy, slimy, dirty "doctor's office" to get it done illegally. They deserve that.

Nobody deserves that. Women don't just have abortions on a spur of the moment! Do you really think that someone would just think "Shit. Pregnant. Abortion." NO! Having an abortion is one of the most difficult decissions for a mother to make. And presuming the woman has a valid reason to abort the baby, (i.e abuse, rape, her life or its, severe disability) is it really fair for there to be so much prejudice against her rights? No. She has the right to walk into an abortion clinic without the fear of it being targeted by crackhead pro-lifers with explosives or herself dying due to the hygeine.

dogman32 Wrote:@ chemistryhater:
I don't know what it feels like to be raped, but maybe that is an advantage.
You see, since I'm not biased that way I can safely say I am making a nonpartial choice about the sanctity of human life. Even if the mother was raped it was not the child's fault. Wasn't and never would be. Why kill an innocent human?

I'm presuming you're male so you will actually NEVER be in this situation. And how is it an advantage to be blissfully unaware of the humiliation, terror and demorilisation of rape? One of my brother's ex-girlfriend (now just a friend) was accquantince date-raped, she was at Brown she was really smart, really pretty and fun but now she's back living in New York because she's too scared being alone and I've seen her a few times since she moved back last February and she's totally different and there is no fucking way she'd have been able to have a baby and look after it, let alone have a living reminder of what happened to her.

dogman32 Wrote:And I meant God as in "fate". Like:
"It is God's will for me to die."
"It is fate for me to die."

K, no offence intended but:
1. How do you know it's God's will?
2. Who the fuck is God and if he's so great why do women find themselves in such trying situations as they feel they have to resort to abortion?
3. Fate is determined by human actions.

I'd also like to say that although I am for abortion, I do think it's wrong, but I accept it because sometimes it's neccessary.

[mudkip liek]

Quote:@ chemistryhater:
I don't know what it feels like to be raped, but maybe that is an advantage.
You see, since I'm not biased that way I can safely say I am making a nonpartial choice about the sanctity of human life. Even if the mother was raped it was not the child's fault. Wasn't and never would be. Why kill an innocent human?

I think that would be a DISadvantage.
I mean, I don't know what it feels like to get raped either, but I still believe abortion isn't wrong. People die unfairly every day and they're already BORN. That's way worse than abortion. And I know it's not the child's fault. But nor is it the mother's. Why should she have to suffer mentally and physically just to save a life? First of all, if she was raped by a relative, there's a chance the child will be born with deformities. Would the child like (when they grew up) looking like that and being stared by people? I'd rather not even have been born. Second of all, I'm sure you're aware that there's currently 6.7 billion people in the world right now. What's 1 life gonna do? Third of all, I'm sure if you were a woman, and DID experience something that would make you not want to have the baby, you wouldn't like the government telling you what to do with your own body. Sure, the fetus will be a human being, but without the body of its mother, it's NOTHING.