My schools network security

[Tasty Waffles]

My school has fucking top notch security and it pisses me off. heres the set up

1. Main servers located at the district office.
2. Proxy servers located at each school that ports you to the main district office servers.
3.Then the servers in each computer lab, which also links off to the rest of the network in the school.
4. Each computer has a client software which admins can and teachers and take control of each computer.
5. The access the internet you need a unique id and password linked to you.
6. Smartfilters stop cities from being loaded and logs them.

All the main servers are custom programmed with linux. I figured this all out over the years. I also talked to schools tech admin. As well as my computer teachers.

[Elfy]

Ours is tight too . You cant access most sites . everything blocked that you go into is logged.
Even things like viewing the clock is restricted o.O

[returnal]

They use SmartFilter at my school too. It's freaking fascist to the extreme.
They even block the Ethical Spectacle's page "An Aushwitz Alphabet" and this issue of the ES because it contains (as it deems) "porn", although it has no pictures and it only deals with with the issue of porn, not porn itself.

[Fire Elf]

We've almost nothing. I'm able to go on most of the stuff I go on, and the school doesn't have any way of seeing what's on our screen (well, except walking up to it) And since there are olny to accounts on the computers ("admin" and "user"), they can't ban us from using computers...

There are few stupidies though, such as SS being blocked in the category "Terrorism".

[Sunbourn]

magic Wrote:My school has fucking top notch security and it pisses me off. heres the set up

1. Main servers located at the district office.
2. Proxy servers located at each school that ports you to the main district office servers.
3.Then the servers in each computer lab, which also links off to the rest of the network in the school.
4. Each computer has a client software which admins can and teachers and take control of each computer.
5. The access the internet you need a unique id and password linked to you.
6. Smartfilters stop cities from being loaded and logs them.

All the main servers are custom programmed with linux. I figured this all out over the years. I also talked to schools tech admin. As well as my computer teachers.

Mine is just like that. Still wasn't that hard to get an admin account in 7th grade, but I doubt it works now.

[Michio-kun]

I remember people at my school were able to log on as the administrator because they watched the tech guy type in his password which turned out to be admin. Fail. Of course, they quickly realized someone figured out the password so it was changed.

Also, you could do a lot of things with run > cmd, but then they disabled run.

[Bri]

My school has a system where in the computer labs, the teacher can pull up a program on their computer screen that shows what everyone on the computers is doing. It'll show a screen and their I.D. number which you can easily look up. I haven't seen this being used in a couple years though(I'm a senior) If teachers were using it, we'd hear a lot of "Who is looking at prom dresses/dirt bikes/bananas? Get to work."

Not only can teachers in labs see your screen on their computer, the IT staff downstairs can too. They watch us. If they see we're doing something "bad" or something they think is bad, they can close out the program or browser you're in or log you out. You literally see the cursor moving as they do this. This helpful when we're having computer problems, we can call the staff and let them know our I.D. number and they can fix the problem without having to go to the computer lab. But when used for other things, it's messed up.

And the censorware is useless. It blocks the stuff we need and anything "inappropriate" is left alone.
Once, my graphics teacher(I go to a voc. school) passed out a hard copy of a flash tutorial. It walks you through how to animate a ball and make it bounce. The tutorial was called "Bouncing Balls", and we went to the site to see that it was blocked- labeled "Porn". Obviously, the word "balls" can only mean one thing...

On the flip side, I was once doing a report on Benito Mussolini. At school, I type "mussolini" into google. What is the first thing I see? Benito Mussolini's granddaughter, a former topless model - naked.

Education in school = bad
Softcore porn in school = good

[6moredetentions]

in my skool all u hav to do is clik sum buton at the botom of the screne and it unbloks everything and every1 knos the paswords to the the techer acounts so u can do anything u want....

[monkey]

Our computer has this thing called deep freeze that undo all changes made to the computer that day, (except stuff thats beeen saved on the network.) So all the files are free to screw with. Problem is you can delete deep freeze. So no more undo and you can fuck the computer.

Another thing is that they forgot to remove command propt. Which can do a hell of alot of things. My friend says he can remove the start scripts So the computer can't even start when after it shuts down. I mean what kind of tard leaves command prompt on the computer?

[Puchiko]

We've got IDs and passwords linked to us, but that's where it ends. The computers can be either used in during class time, or there's a separate lab where you can spend your free periods (lunch breaks) or even in the afternoon, after school ends. According to official rules, it can only be used for "study" purposes, but only hard-core and repeatedly warned gamers get their accounts blocked (sucks that this also applies to in-class time, so if you're in a computer class... you better get a friend to lend you their ID). There is no censorware, because the school doesn't want to slow down our connection. I usually just check my e-mail, go on these forums, or do some schoolwork if I need to.

However, when I was in Bavaria on a student exchange trip (one week, stay with a German student whom you'll host when s/he comes to Prague), one of my friends wanted to check their e-mail on the library computer. The main page of Czech Republic's no. #1 e-mail provider, seznam.cz was blocked as "porn".
I think that helped me appreciate the no-blocking policy of our school.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:The tutorial was called "Bouncing Balls", and we went to the site to see that it was blocked- labeled "Porn". Obviously, the word "balls" can only mean one thing...

On the flip side, I was once doing a report on Benito Mussolini. At school, I type "mussolini" into google. What is the first thing I see? Benito Mussolini's granddaughter, a former topless model - naked.

Epic fail.

[Tasty Waffles]

--monkey666-- Wrote:Our computer has this thing called deep freeze that undo all changes made to the computer that day, (except stuff thats beeen saved on the network.) So all the files are free to screw with. Problem is you can delete deep freeze. So no more undo and you can fuck the computer.

Another thing is that they forgot to remove command propt. Which can do a hell of alot of things. My friend says he can remove the start scripts So the computer can't even start when after it shuts down. I mean what kind of tard leaves command prompt on the computer?

Alot of our computers have that deep freze with the thawspace partition. Its annoying when trying to save work in web design class

[Tasty Waffles]

Anyone who knows the admin account at my school are the admins. Each computers teacher seems to have a secluded computer or server where they access the network. We cant see them type. Everything can be done by remote as well. On top of that the main servers can be used to spy on student by the district so then can try to pick up on we traits. And possibly filter the world wide web

[Quioxte]

Our school has nothing, except a big brother system that watches our screens. The screen is monitored by 1 guy, and he is the computer teacher and has to get up continually, so it's pretty easy to sneak underneath his nose.

[Kitteneater]

Someone hacked into our school website. Who ever did it was brilliant; they slandered teachers that weren't very good, put in a couple of dirty words. They really cleaned up. Their only down fall was doing it all from a school computer.

We can't get on anything with "games" in the title. And If we do a project on the holocaust, we have to research at home. Swastikas are blocked.

[wyldstryke]

this reminds me, last year, my school made good sue of the site prox.thruhere.net, which i found here(no shit). whatever happened to it?

also, if you make a notepad file that opens cmd, its not that hard to do anything. you can make your own account with admin privileges. or, my personal favourite, type 'purge' and click [enter] lots of lulz....

[Tasty Waffles]

Kitteneater Wrote:Someone hacked into our school website. Who ever did it was brilliant; they slandered teachers that weren't very good, put in a couple of dirty words. They really cleaned up. Their only down fall was doing it all from a school computer.

We can't get on anything with "games" in the title. And If we do a project on the holocaust, we have to research at home. Swastikas are blocked.

Yeah they block one of our school websites. Whats so bad about swastikas, well hitler ruined them, but really they were used way before hitler ever did.

[thewake]

Lol, my schools comps even access this site.

But that's just because they don't know about it.

[Tasty Waffles]

W-Dog32 Wrote:Lol, my schools comps even access this site.

But that's just because they don't know about it.

As far as I know, they allow this site. But the admins would remove it if i access it a lot. I also noticed that my school seems to use RADIUS servers. Which a I was setting up for my home network.

[Thought Criminal]

The system at my school is shit. I managed to hack the mac lab last year and get all of the admin passwords. I was living it up whenever I got on a compy, I even had one in my compiter class where I downloaded lime wire, firefox and other stuff and even put my music library on a hard drove and copied over.
It was awsome

[Elfy]

As soon as i get ack to school im gonna get into admin status then delete everything , everyodys documents in the whole school , and rescources. Replacing documents with Trojans or Virus'.

Just need to learn a few things

I can try hack site now , replacing with porn.

[Thought Criminal]

Cool but be carful some places can get you expeled or arrested for it. Where do you live?

[Elfy]

I live in england although I would mind getting expelled

[Tasty Waffles]

My school uses a lot of cisco systems. All the wireless routers in the school are almost full proof. Everything uses a radius server. Its irritating. We have T1 for our internet which is fast. But it too secure.

[Thought Criminal]

magic Wrote:My school uses a lot of cisco systems. All the wireless routers in the school are almost full proof. Everything uses a radius server. Its irritating. We have T1 for our internet which is fast. But it too secure.

My old school used norvus or something lake that. I can't remember the name at the moment. But it was a bitch I never managed to get in

[Tasty Waffles]

I dont have cisco training to break in. I wouldn't mind taking sico certification classes just for that.

[Trar]

EDIT: Holy shit, I wrote a LOT! (which is seemingly what i'm doing a lot of nowadays) Maybe SoulRiser could put this on the website? That reminds me of something else interesting (and long), but i'll save it for another time...err, post. Scroll down for a short summary.


This reminds me of some students who found the passwords to the teacher accounts on their computers and logged in. I don't exactly remember what they did from there, maybe they changed grades or some shit, I dunno. So anyway, the vice-principal finds out and goes on the intercom stating what happened, and that it was a "major security breach", and that all laptop use would be heavily monitored, and for schoolwork only. We also couldn't take them home until "further notice".

What the fuck? There have been accounts of younger students doing FAR WORSE to their schools' (albeit shitty) systems, so I have reason to believe that a few password-guessing students accessing the already vulnerable/tempting teacher accounts on their Macs isn't as dangerous as everyone purports it to be. (they probably know less than me about this, and seeing as i know MUCH less than some people on here, that's something)
Of course though, it IS true that they got the passwords by other means, and the passwords weren't simply "admin", as the vice-principal said. While it may be true, the vice-principal said it first, so i'm inclined to not believe him. Hell, I should meet with the vice-principal and tell him about these far worse accounts. Maybe he'll let up a little, who knows?

I was not involved and do not know the password, and I think it was "admin". I can't try it out, because they're changing ALL the passwords now, from the PowerGrade(an online program that tracks student's grades like a farmer tracks his/her's chicken egg output) to the Mac laptop login (and i don't feel like memorizing new passwords, especially when i picked out some of them and i can remember those easily). Seriously, I think they're overreacting here.

I mean, come ON! The administration honestly expects that the mere threat of "punishment" (which is weak) and the act of doing something "bad" (which is unbelievably weak) would keep the students out? Even though it worked for me (i didn't want to go in there, I had no reason to and no wanton need for computerized destruction (yet!)), it obviously didn't work for those students! I'm not saying to make things MORE strict and secure, i'm just saying to actually make a difference! Maybe switch to Windows? Hell, I have a bit of experience with LINUX, for chrissakes! If my school used that, it could introduce a cool OS to my classmates! AND, gain HUGE amounts of respect, cred, and awesome (at least in MY eyes). But that probably won't happen, seeing as most districts in my state use MAC. Oh well. I can dream, can't I?

And as long as i'm dreaming, I want a life-size milk-chocolate transformable Optimus Prime, that regenerates every time I take a bite out of it. YUM


Long story short: some students who I am not involved with password-guess their way onto the teacher accounts of their Mac laptops, the vice-principal calls it a "major security breach" and restricts laptop use until "further notice" (including no take-home :( ), and basically overreact all over the place.

[Tasty Waffles]

My school loves to waste money on security.

[youvebeenthunderstruck]

Uh, yeah, guys.

Don't go on SS from school. They probably track it and your password to your account.

[Tasty Waffles]

youvebeenthunderstruck Wrote:Uh, yeah, guys.

Don't go on SS from school. They probably track it and your password to your account.

Which is why the only site i go on are newegg and amazon since there SSL encrypted