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Ok, so a while back, Israel, which is a powerful and mostly Jewish country, decided that it wanted the Gaza strip, a small peice of land controlled by the Muslim Palestinians, back. Gaza was already overpopulated, so Israel decided to cut off all supplies from Gaza. No food, water, medicine, electricity, oil, or anything else. They were starving millions of Palestinians. Over a small strip of land. Eventually, the people of Gaza took action, by using the limited weapons they had, which were unadvanced cloned soviet missiles, and retaliated against Israel. However, Israel did nothing at first to stop them, and didn't want to. They knew that this would happen. They wanted it to happen. It gave the clearance to start an all out blitz of Gaza by air, dropping bombs and blowing up tons of shit. See, Israel is willing to sacrifice hundreds if not thousands of not only Palestinians but also Israelis over a tiny strip of land. Want proof? Just yesterday, a small 60ft ship from the US-based "Free Gaza" movement was delivering medicine they recieved from Cyprus to Gaza, when a warship of the Israeli navy intercepted and rammed it, badly damaging it and forcing it to retreat.

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Israel should definitely not starve ppl in Gaza, but, even so, it is their land. Didn't US troops divide it or give it to the Palestinians by force a while back?

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Number11 Wrote:Israel should definitely not starve ppl in Gaza, but, even so, it is their land. Didn't US troops divide it or give it to the Palestinians by force a while back?

Basically, this is what i know, that whole area was once part of the British Empire. After ww2, the uk was at war whith the arabs and jews, who were also at war with themselves. the uk said "fuck this" and made a plan with the un to devide the area between the arabs an jews, with jerusalem as a international city. the jews said fuck that and took over the land while the british left. egypt and all the other arab nations looked at israel and said fuck you and invaded, tanking much of what is the gaza strip and more, and the suez canal. britian and france didnt like that egypt was nationalizing the suez canal, so agreed to let isreal retake gaza, but had to retreat due to pressure from the us and the ussr. since then, the region had been disputed. sometimes israel troops occupyed it, sometimes gaza was fairly independent.

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Here is an easy solution : Israel, stop bombing the bejesus out of Gaza and start letting aid and supplies in (which apparently they have just started to do today). Gaza, try to get someone else in powere besides Hamas or at least stop lobbing rockets into Israel.

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LOL, Israel, what a joke. Honestly they have spent to much time being a legitimate country and need to be removed for the good of the future.

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Israel have been doing doing that for ages already, not sure why it popped-up in people's brains to stop Israel now.

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That whole war is fucked up. The Israelis see themselves as the surrounded holdouts and the Palestinians see themselves as oppressed prisoners, and both are pretty much right. It's been nothing but an endless series of retaliations for retaliations for the last half a century. I don't support Israel and I don't support Hamas. Both have innocent blood on their hands, although Israel was kind of asking for it when they settled a land in the dead center of the fucking middle east.

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Great, now Isreal has invaded the Gaza strip.

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Its nice to have a home. I'd imagine you know what it feels like, deep down. To be disagreed with. Now imagine if a good portion of the world disagreed with your existence and the rest merely overlook it. Antisemitism is an unfortunate reality, I have the bruises to prove it and my grandparents have the scars.

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01-08-2009 12:39 AM
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Not if that home is right on the edge of a sea of enemies. I understand the post-WWII Jewish mindset, but really, what did they think was going to happen? All that the creation of Israel brought was endless war. It was meant to be a safe haven for the Jews, and now its probably the most dangerous place to be one. So what is the point of keeping this up? Pride? Stubborness? The world doesn't hate Jews the way it did in the 1940s. It would suck for them to cave to their enemies, but it's better than a never-ending battle where civilians on both sides are caught in the middle.

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I am sure if another country were charitable enough to give up a piece of land to create a jewish homeland far far away from the middle east, it would be well populated. Israel is all they have, a small state that takes maybe an hour to drive from end to end. And whats surrounding them....A thousand miles of Arabian soil?

It is an ending battle, at some point Israel and its army which is outnumbered what was the last statistic 2000-1 as far as its military goes....will drive these ridiculous Muslim extremists back and cause a tension in the middle east that really never will ease.

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They'll win this battle, but look at the larger picture. If this special homeland has to be an armed camp for the rest of its existance, why do the Jews even want it? In fact, why do they even need their own country anymore? Its not like the Nazis are going to spring up again with no warning, and the governments of first-world countries aren't just going to leave them to the wolves again.

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Rebelnerd, it wasn't just the Nazi's. I went to France and was not allowed to eat at certain restaurants, I didn't wear a kippot. Under the assumption that I was Jewish, they would not let me eat there. I experienced relatively the same thing when I went to Alabama, do you think I had a shawl over my shoulders when some idiot yelled GTFO Jew...

I am not saying the whole world hates Jews. But the whole world hates Jews. We have been expelled from nearly every single country in the last century. Its not just Germany. Its England, Spain, Turkey, and Russia. And much much more. Do your research. We are hated and anti-antisemitism is very real.

(The shitty part about it all, is I don't even practice Judaic traditions. *sighs*)

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There will always be people who discriminate against relgious and ethnic groups. But you can't compare it to the years following WWII. Nobody tried to kill you or burn down your house (France, incidently, restricts religious expression for everyone, not just Jews). I'm sorry for what happened to you but it doesn't justify actions that were bound to result in a neverending war. Hell, go to NYC or Florida, there are plenty of Jews there and nobody's hunting them down. They may not have their own country, but there are plenty of place more tolerant than France and Alabama.

And even if the world was as hostile to Jews as you make it sound, which I doubt, why build the Jewish sanctuary right by the people who hate you the most?

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The rose that grew in concrete. Learn your 2pac!

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Easy for you to say, it's not your kids who are getting blown up. Israel is no better than Hamas in that regard, their leaders talk a big fight about sticking up for their pride and honor, while they sit behind the lines and send the little guys out to die. If the Israeli politicians think it's so important to have a Jewish homeland in Gaza, why don't they pick up a gun and go out there themselves?

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Also, while I admit that Hamas is a terrorist organization, can't Israel just go in and take them out, and not bomb schools and hospitals? Just cause people did bad things to them in the past doesn't give them the right to blow up innocent civilians.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Easy for you to say, it's not your kids who are getting blown up. Israel is no better than Hamas in that regard, their leaders talk a big fight about sticking up for their pride and honor, while they sit behind the lines and send the little guys out to die. If the Israeli politicians think it's so important to have a Jewish homeland in Gaza, why don't they pick up a gun and go out there themselves?
They have though, part of being a legal citizen of Israel is serving in the military for approximately two years without exception.

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See what I'm saying? Why choose a place to build your homeland if its going to be so dangerous that you need to force all your citizens into the army? That alone should be a sign of poor choice.
(and, as we've seen in America, just because a country's leaders are supposed to fight doesn't necessarily mean they do.)

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Rebelnerd Wrote:See what I'm saying? Why choose a place to build your homeland if its going to be so dangerous that you need to force all your citizens into the army? That alone should be a sign of poor choice.
(and, as we've seen in America, just because a country's leaders are supposed to fight doesn't necessarily mean they do.)
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Bullshit. Their claim is no more legit than the Palestinians'. And I don't think they need their own homeland anyway. Just go to any of the many countries with a "freedom of religion" clause in their lawbooks. Don't gather all your people and have them settle on top of a live grenade just because your distant ancestors used to live there too. You can't just spread out all over the world and then suddenly want "your" land back after someone else has already moved in.

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i forget wre i heard it but somewre it says the jews are supose to like get back all the old promise land and rebuild solemens temple i think i might be wrong and i also heard before israel bombed places they drop stuff saying what time, day, etc. and they do it with enough warning they have time to go

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Bullshit. Their claim is no more legit than the Palestinians'. And I don't think they need their own homeland anyway. Just go to any of the many countries with a "freedom of religion" clause in their lawbooks. Don't gather all your people and have them settle on top of a live grenade just because your distant ancestors used to live there too. You can't just spread out all over the world and then suddenly want "your" land back after someone else has already moved in.

If the problem was being able to practice Jewish Traditions, then we would all be in Switzerland partying it up. The thing is, the jewish people have become a race rather than a religious group. Do you think Hitler cared about what prayers we recited before going to bed, we were grouped as a race of people that needed to be exterminated for the good of humanity.

(Before I make my next statement be aware that I have researched the Islamic faith and its pillars for a good amount of time, I have nothing against the religion, it is peace loving and in essence probably a tad better then Judaism.)

These extremist arabs are being breed to kill jews. How can you say that antisemitism isn't an issue today when we have a whole culture that is dedicated to a single race's oblivion. You have heard about the suicide bombers surely. I have an uncle who saw one. Who saw a screaming arab run into a coffee shop and the next thing he knew the place exploded. Jews have a connection to Israel, its a symbol of hope. I know it sounds ridiculous. Being put into a sea of your enemies and forced to make a home out of it in this modern day world....like the old saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemy's closer..

The way I look at it, the easiest solution is for the jewish race to become extinct, the arabs would have to pick a fight with a larger race, and would be crushed in an instant. And suddenly, the whole of the Muslim religion would become more peaceful.

And I can't support that solution for obvious reasons.

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Quote:And I can't support that solution for obvious reasons.

You're Jewish?
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Vatman, this may be off topic but, I really really want to know. How did the people in france know you're jewish? Is it from appearance or something else?
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Vatman is a jew?...*e-boot to vatmans head over and over again*

Also with this israel/hammas shit, fuck it. let them kill eachother. not my problem.

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john tuttle Wrote:Also, while I admit that Hamas is a terrorist organization, can't Israel just go in and take them out, and not bomb schools and hospitals? Just cause people did bad things to them in the past doesn't give them the right to blow up innocent civilians.
Nope. It's nigh unto impossible. Why do you think we're still dealing with shit in Iraq?

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I think because it is profitable for you.

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because your a dumbass.
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*starts topic about the difference between your and you're*
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