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liq3 · 01-11-2009 07:37 PM

Something_Spacey Wrote:
SoulRiser Wrote:How 'bout this for a slogan? Compulsory schooling ruins education.

Its seems negative and bad news ish which will draw in fewer people. Reframe it in to something like.

"Because Unschooling Betters Education!"

Lol? Dude, people LOVE bad news. How do you think mass media news gets any hits?

Michio-kun · 01-12-2009 12:48 AM

liq3 Wrote:
Something_Spacey Wrote:
SoulRiser Wrote:How 'bout this for a slogan? Compulsory schooling ruins education.

Its seems negative and bad news ish which will draw in fewer people. Reframe it in to something like.

"Because Unschooling Betters Education!"
Lol? Dude, people LOVE bad news. How do you think mass media news gets any hits?

This. Controversial things make big news. A walkout featuring at least 20 students lasting more than a few hours would make evening news on CNN.

liq3 · 01-12-2009 12:58 AM

Stratovarius Wrote:This. Controversial things make big news. A walkout featuring at least 20 students lasting more than a few hours would make evening news on CNN.

Oh, I can see it now.

"30 kids walk out of school grounds today protesting compulsory schooling laws."

The Djinni · 01-12-2009 09:45 AM

I reckon a one kid walkout would do more than twenty. I mean c'mon "There has been a one kid walkout in Kellyville High School today, and many more students appeared later to join him"

Not likely but meh.

Michio-kun · 01-12-2009 12:03 PM

Good point AWOL.

It's likely that a bunch of people will end up chickening out whenever it's time for the walk-out. Even if all 20 of your mates leave, you gotta stay out there.

At my high school, you'll probably get in-school-suspension for walking out. Do it again and you might get something called ABC which is in-school-suspension but it's off campus in another building.

Just keep walking out no matter what to make a point.

This of course, requires a lot of balls.

The Apathy · 01-12-2009 02:53 PM

liq3 Wrote:
Stratovarius Wrote:This. Controversial things make big news. A walkout featuring at least 20 students lasting more than a few hours would make evening news on CNN.
Oh, I can see it now.

"30 kids walk out of school grounds today protesting compulsory schooling laws."

The government controls the news. How would we get good publicity from that?

psychopath · 01-12-2009 05:09 PM

Quote:The government controls the news. How would we get good publicity from that?

It'll get us even more publicity. Even if it's bad publicity it's good, but I have a feeling the media would actually like a walkout

DeadLugosi · 01-15-2009 03:41 AM

What have we found so far?
No name but SS revolution, and we're not satisfied with that.
That the US government/medias/extraterrestrials control everything.
And that writing books is the only way to diffuse our ideas, after all, we all know that the French revolution/American war of independence happened because every single citizen had the complete works of Voltaire/Montesquieu/I-dunno-who-else at home ...

Of course I exaggerate but you see my point, right? In this thread we want to find a name, we don't want to discuss whether or not what we want to do will be useful (create another thread for that) and we (well, at least I, and not here anyway) don't want to discuss conspiracy theories or anything close to it.

So, let's really try to find a name this time.

PS: A name idea: the ASIO (Anti-School Information Organization), that's simple, not really original but it's clear and it's really how I see our "organization": we just want to spread information, we don't give any solution (that's how I see it, it can be discussed).

Thought Criminal · 01-15-2009 04:07 AM

Quote:PS: A name idea: the ASIO (Anti-School Information Organization), that's simple, not really original but it's clear and it's really how I see our "organization": we just want to spread information, we don't give any solution (that's how I see it, it can be discussed).

i like this, its kinda catchy and attractive. but assuming this organization helps start a revolution shouldn't it be something like the (anti-school revolution organization) i just kinda pasted that in but i think we should add some kind of word that suggests change.

liq3 · 01-15-2009 04:11 AM

Well, the thing is, we aren't anti-school. We're anti-compulsory school.

Thought Criminal · 01-15-2009 04:15 AM

i thought that we were anti-school but not anti-education

liq3 · 01-15-2009 04:47 AM

thought criminal Wrote:i thought that we were anti-school but not anti-education

The problem is that you CAN get an education at school, just not the current ones. The current ones suck balls, obviously.

Point is, we're anti-compulsory school.

I myself rather like the idea of school. A good school mind you, not the kind of shit we have now.

Thought Criminal · 01-15-2009 07:27 AM

oooh i see where your coming from now. thankies

DeadLugosi · 01-15-2009 08:16 AM

Well we could use "School Information Organization", because I agree, I'm not really against the idea of school itself.
In France the pro-cannabis organization calls itself the "Cannabis Research and Information Collective" (CIRC in French) ^^ so I guess we can use "School Information Organization" even if our goal is more to fight (compulsory) school than to inform about it.
I mean "Anti Compulsory School Information Organization" doesn't sound good, does it?

Rebelnerd · 01-15-2009 11:17 AM

I still think "free education" should be in there somewhere. I mean, that says it all in a nutshell right? We still want to learn, but we don't want the education system to have the power over students that it does now.

Fire Elf · 01-15-2009 11:35 AM

I still think we should be decentralised (which means no to anything with "organisation" in it).

psychopath · 01-15-2009 11:36 AM

I agree, because we are in no shape to form an organisation yet, if the revolution gets popular an organisation will spring up for it some day anyway.

Rebelnerd · 01-16-2009 05:44 AM

Whether or not we centralize depends on how militant we want to get. If its just going to be a protest/lobbying group, then there's nothing wrong with having a structure to coordinate larger demonstrations. But if the goal was to actually overthrow the school system then yes, it should be decentralized to throw of police investigations. Which brings up the age-old subersive's dilemma again: how far are we prepared to take this?

Swift · 01-16-2009 11:04 AM

Rebelnerd Wrote:Whether or not we centralize depends on how militant we want to get. If its just going to be a protest/lobbying group, then there's nothing wrong with having a structure to coordinate larger demonstrations. But if the goal was to actually overthrow the school system then yes, it should be decentralized to throw of police investigations. Which brings up the age-old subersive's dilemma again: how far are we prepared to take this?

I would fight and die in a war to destroy ageism in governments, mandotary school, and the legalization of Youth Rights.

Rebelnerd · 01-16-2009 11:54 AM

As would I, but not everyone would. If this is meant to be a mainstream social/political movement then we can't make it too radical or we'll scare the moderates away. Moderates who might otherwise support us. I've seen it happen many times before with anti-war groups.

The Apathy · 01-16-2009 01:12 PM

How about the "Educated Revolution"?

psychopath · 01-16-2009 06:05 PM

Well the point of this was to raise awareness. We've already tried taking a direct approach, and they've failed because most people don't even know what's wrong with school.

Ok, back to names.

Quote:Educated Revolution

Another good one. I think we might have enough for a poll now. Since the revolution is not really that centralised I'm just going to start using and popularising the winning name.

Then what we could do is write up the alternate awareness intro page and ask if soul could post it(if you don't know what I'm talking about, find the "fixing school" thread).

DeadLugosi · 01-17-2009 04:00 AM

psychopath Wrote:Well the point of this was to raise awareness.

That's it! "Awareness", not "information", we might modify the name I proposed to use "awareness", I think it's more explicit about what we want.
As for "organization", well I don't like it much either but I don't really see what we could use instead if we want people to understand we're a group (well maybe simply "group", but it doesn't sound really good), I mean, decentralization is a great thing but if we're (more or less) organized, we'll spread our ideas more efficiently.

youvebeenthunderstruck · 01-17-2009 04:09 AM

I approve of the poll idea.

classclown · 01-17-2009 05:00 AM

i think something like "student in arms" sounds good for a name
for a slogan maybe somethin like "right to free knowledge"

Liquid · 02-11-2009 09:59 AM

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