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im for it but i think it needs to be changed
honestly killing someone humanly if the way the killed wasnt its dumb if the person killed by shooting someone thats how they die if someone kills by cuting someone up thats how they die

life is just blah blah blah. we hope for blah, and sometimes we find it. but mostly its blah. and waiting for blah. and hoping you were right about the blahs you made. and when you think you just got the whole blah damn thing figured out, and your surrounded by the ones you blah. death shows up and blah blah blah.
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so you say they should die, scared and in pain? thats just wrong. plus, they prefer not to make a mess.

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well they didnt care when they did it and most people who cut people up and stuff do a clean job of it

life is just blah blah blah. we hope for blah, and sometimes we find it. but mostly its blah. and waiting for blah. and hoping you were right about the blahs you made. and when you think you just got the whole blah damn thing figured out, and your surrounded by the ones you blah. death shows up and blah blah blah.
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I'm not for it. Margin of error, the fact that they can learn their lesson, etc etc.
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Because we all know two wrongs make a right...

This is just completely barbaric. It sounds like something they would do in Saudi Arabia...

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1.Killing is a crime, so how can you make a penalty that is by itself a crime? In other words how can you inforce a law that is aganist the law?
2.When you kill a mourderer it doesn't make one less, you just replace him with another guy (someone must kill the killer, which makes him a killer).

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ture but some people just enjoy killing and only other way really is keep them in a jail which is alot of wasted tax money

laws are all been taken from religion and even they theose who started cant really follow it

newtons 3rd law For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

tho it does say opposite

life is just blah blah blah. we hope for blah, and sometimes we find it. but mostly its blah. and waiting for blah. and hoping you were right about the blahs you made. and when you think you just got the whole blah damn thing figured out, and your surrounded by the ones you blah. death shows up and blah blah blah.
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Frankly, I'd rather "waste tax dollars" than put the person to death.
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i believe in exactly what cc said. an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth
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thought criminal Wrote:i believe in exactly what cc said. an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth
So, do you believe that If a country kills 6 million people, this group should start it's own genocide? Because that's exactly what "an eye for an eye" is.

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If they enjoy killing there is something wrong with them and we should focus on finding a cause of the problem.
Quote:newtons 3rd law For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
Morals are not physics, if a 3 years old kid will by accident hit his mommy in the head with a club will you do the same to twords it (btw it sucks that i have to say it about a child...)? Or if it's gonna hurt himself with scisors who will be cut back? Kinda ridicules examples but couldn't think of another answer to that kind of "statment".
Quote:laws are all been taken from religion and even they theose who started cant really follow it
Some can, and it i not like a "ohh look he killed someone even tho he couldn't, I wanna too". You should follow laws like "you shall not mourder" for yourself. If you follow them only as long as you have to it has no sense.

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any club a baby could lift wouldnt kill anything just saying

life is just blah blah blah. we hope for blah, and sometimes we find it. but mostly its blah. and waiting for blah. and hoping you were right about the blahs you made. and when you think you just got the whole blah damn thing figured out, and your surrounded by the ones you blah. death shows up and blah blah blah.
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Yeah but it could hurt someone, i know because i did it as a child and (strangely) my mother didn't hit me back (about an eye for an eye).

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Fire Elf Wrote:
thought criminal Wrote:i believe in exactly what cc said. an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth
So, do you believe that If a country kills 6 million people, this group should start it's own genocide? Because that's exactly what "an eye for an eye" is.

2 wrongs do not make a right.

no. no killing of innocent people. only if it can be 100% proved that (lets say "felix") killed his little brother would the death penalty be enacted on felix and it would have to be from damning forensic evidence or from a reliable eye witness who saw felix kill his brother.
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ok first it a kid babies aint able to think that deep to premeditated murder so no nothing should happen and some people like to kill mostly caause of a trama in there past they couldnt get over

life is just blah blah blah. we hope for blah, and sometimes we find it. but mostly its blah. and waiting for blah. and hoping you were right about the blahs you made. and when you think you just got the whole blah damn thing figured out, and your surrounded by the ones you blah. death shows up and blah blah blah.
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Quote:100% proved that
Haha to that.
Quote:ok first it a kid babies aint able to think that deep to premeditated murder so no nothing should happen and some people like to kill mostly caause of a trama in there past they couldnt get over
So? I could say the same thing about a killer ( "aint able to think that deep") , it is imposible to be sane and enjoy killing.
And in case of "trama" who should be blamed? They could be normal if they had recieved help, so you could say those who didin't care made them (society made them), and instead of changing things it we only try not to see.

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still they choose to do it and no offence most people dont want help

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And they choose, not because the are "bad" but because of the way the were brought up/ other influences. That means we could change them (or that we are the ones to blame ause we could helped help them, but we didn't and now we see consequences)
Ok gonna put it another way you want to stop killing with killing (muahahaha) or you wanna change things for the better?

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classclown Wrote:ture but some people just enjoy killing and only other way really is keep them in a jail which is alot of wasted tax money

laws are all been taken from religion and even they theose who started cant really follow it

newtons 3rd law For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

tho it does say opposite
1) Well, It's a better way of spending money then subject the person to some sort of barbaric saudi arabia-type punishment. Besides, if a person "enjoys killing", they will have prolly killed more then one person. How do we apply your "eye for an eye" bullshit to that? Kill the person 3+ times over? No, we can't to that, a person only dies once, and then they're dead.

2) Well, it's the 21st century, we need to change that, as the words of some 5000-year-old book is not the best reason to kill some-one.And no, there are other resons people make laws, such as paranoia, corruption, and just wanting to opress the masses.

3) "newtons 3rd law" is a law of physics, not a criminal law. There's a difference. It does not say in the law books of any country that "For a force there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions." Also, for the record, I don't think any of Newton's laws of motion were taken from religion.

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classclown Wrote:any club a baby could lift wouldnt kill anything just saying
Well, any knife a baby could lift might just be able to.

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still babies cant do pre meditated murder

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Most of mourders are not planned as well (except wars...)

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not really and they still are more then a baby is a baby cant even understand what it did

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thought criminal Wrote:no. no killing of innocent people. only if it can be 100% proved that (lets say "felix") killed his little brother would the death penalty be enacted on felix and it would have to be from damning forensic evidence or from a reliable eye witness who saw felix kill his brother.
So, that would mean, that if felix's brother was an "innocent person", then it would be murder, wheras, say on the day before, felix's brother stole 5$ from felix's brother's mother's neigbour's cousin's sister's room-mate's hairdresser's wallet, it would be okay to kill him. I do not agree with this kind of view. It's not okay to kill any-one. So now felix is found guilty, and gets killed. Now the guy who killed felix just killed some-one, and will, according to you, need to die. Continue this until the world population reaches 1 and there is no-one to kill this last person.

Fortunately, it's almost impssible to find that kind of evidence for everything, so the death penalty will prolly never be used. Phew...

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I think murderers should be able to choose their punishment, alternatives like exile, that's how it worked in Ancient Athens.

But yeah, I'm for the Death Penalty.

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There are worse punishments than death. I'm all for torture replacing the death penalty, granted that people who get it seriously deserve it. Like serial killers or rapists.
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The death penalty is based on revenge, not justice (actually, so is most of the so-called "justice" system). So, no, I don't agree with it. People who kill people have serious mental issues (usually) and need help. Even if only 10% of them can be helped, it's still worth it to try. Killing them just drags us down to their level, and shows we aren't willing to put in the effort to solve a problem instead of just giving up and settling for simple revenge. Not to mention that sometimes people get falsely accused.

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