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RE: Religion

I really don't get the point of arguing over this. It's not like anyone's going to change their mind. But hey... some people like arguing just for the sake of arguing. So... Popcorn

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Quote:God exists and also doesn't exist at the same time. He's God, and therefore does not need to follow logic and whatnot.
I actually wasn't joking. He exists in some people's minds, and in other people's minds, does not. Whether or not he exists in the "real world" isn't what I was referring to, and is actually quite irrelevant. Even if his existence gets proven or disproven one day, there will still be people who believe the opposite.

So I honesly believe if people want to 'sharpen the mind' by arguing... do it with a topic that can actually change a person's mind. I'd rather expand my mind than sharpen it, but maybe that's just me.

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Quote:I'm saying that isn't the idea. God's more of an insurance plan in this respect - invest in Him, and the devil doesn't take your soul when you die.
Satan doesn't "take your soul"; he's just down there suffering like everyone else because god's an asshole.

Quote:The idea of Christianity, though, is to spread the Good Word.
"Do what I say or I'll torture you" doesn't sound very "good" to me.

Quote:He sent His Son to save our skins.
creating sin and then punishing us for something he made himself sounds fucking stupid and malevolent. How does one thing such as dying affect the status of sins? It doesn't. Its like saying "I hit myself in the face with a shovel for your mortgage."

Quote:Even those who don't believe are offered a better chance at not burning in a fiery inferno for all eternity.

John 3:18 - "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

ANYONE who doesn't believe goes to hell. Babies who are too young to understand, and people who have never heard of him, AND people who have lived more virtuous than any christian but are atheistic, go to hell. Nowhere in the bible does it say they get a free ride. Torturing babies is a dick move.

Quote:Ever heard of Judgement?
Judgement is just a kangaroo court. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court ) The outcome for them to be damned to hell is destined even before "judgement" begins, fuck, even before their LIFE began. The bible, as god's word, is used as the basis for "morality" and if you don't follow it to-the-letter, you're damned. >Religion.

Quote:and even more than that are capable of repenting even after the rapture.
Repenting doesn't magically mean you don't have to follow through with god's laws.

Joshua 24:19 - "And Joshua said to the people, You cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins."

Quote:I really don't get the point of arguing over this. It's not like anyone's going to change their mind...So I honesly believe if people want to 'sharpen the mind' by arguing...do it with a topic that can actually change a person's mind.
>Implying nobody has ever deconverted before due to argumentation.

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I must mention now that I am a Buddhist. I don't believe in rebirth in the conventional sense: there does not seem to be a soul separate from the atoms and molecules that constitute us. But these fundamental atoms and molecules decompose and rearrange themselves into another living being. When I die, a large proportion of the nitrogen in my body will simply become small molecules, floating through the air and not having any conscious thought. Perhaps a carbon atom that exists in my eye will become part of a Korean dictator, and perhaps another carbon molecule will become part of a healing saint.

The important thing to remember is that way are not permanent or eternal. This is a very painful and difficult realization for some people to come to, and they attempt to hide it from themselves by creating the construct of a God, where strict following of a certain set of dogmatic rules leads to eventual fulfillment. This adherence may give some peace of mind, but it also creates conflicts because one's actions must always be evaluated against a standard set on a pedestal.

To really unlock peace of mind, some people think that you must follow a simple code: in this case the eightfold path, with discretion and caring. Buddhism encourages skepticism and debates, and aims to find the truth rather than what is not truth. Therefore, one Buddhist may have a completely different view from another Buddhist. The important thing for happiness is end of delusion and acceptance of things the way they are. Not clinging to personal possessions and impermanent things may end suffering. I am not sure whether such a state is possible, but striving towards such a state is beneficial.
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I've heard people kill people over their beliefs, by this I mean their sons and daughters. You can't pray the first man on the moon, you have to use science. If Christians are allowed to vote for Mitt Romney just because he follows Christian ways then black people should be allowed to vote for Obama because he's black too. I am not just another human being. I am a genius no matter what you say! I WILL NOT LET HUMANITY KILL ITSELF ANY LONGER! SCIENCE,PROGRESS,REASON,AND EQUALITY ARE THE KEY TO EVOLUTION AND SUCCESS IN OUR SHORT LIVES!

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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RE: Religion

Well, it seems the first impressions some have with Christianity are incurable. Moving on to easier argumentation so I don't wear myself out over someone who only wants to deconvert.
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  I've heard people kill people over their beliefs, by this I mean their sons and daughters.
Yeah. They're called nutjobs. They may claim sides, but the sides don't claim them.
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  You can't pray the first man on the moon, you have to use science.
...Science isn't at odds with religion; you can apply physics to get a spacecraft to launch correctly without sacrificing religious beliefs. In fact, many people did pray for the moon landing to be successful. It worked - we got closer than ever before to touching "the face of God".
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  If Christians are allowed to vote for Mitt Romney just because he follows Christian ways then black people should be allowed to vote for Obama because he's black too.
Obama's a Baptist - he's Christian too. We haven't had a single president who wasn't Christian, not a single atheistic chief. Also, Obama would likely not have won the '08 election had people not chosen to vote for him on account of race.
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  I am not just another human being.
Right. We're all unique, we're all special. God sees this, even though we are physically worth next to nothing within this vast universe - we're more than the sum of our parts.
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  I am a genius no matter what you say!
No offense, but you're not classified as a genius unless your IQ is greater than or equivalent to 140. Besides, your incorrect utilization of grammar, certainty in your intelligence, and flawed assessment of science implies to me that you're mildly idiotic. Rest easy in the fact that you're probably not as dumb as the slight majority of your elders, but know your weaknesses.
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  I WILL NOT LET HUMANITY KILL ITSELF ANY LONGER!
Who are you to say that? God? You have no power here.
(11-07-2012 08:19 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  SCIENCE,PROGRESS,REASON,AND EQUALITY ARE THE KEY TO EVOLUTION AND SUCCESS IN OUR SHORT LIVES!
Science is greatly misunderstood by the masses (and, I've gathered, you), progress is subjective (and can be good or bad), reason even more so, and equality could mean a great many things (including socialism). Evolution is, in many cases, unnecessary, and success is (you guessed it) also subjective. Just shy of 80 years isn't a short average lifespan - there's plenty you can do in that time.

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IQ is just another way of saying a piece of paper can show how smart you are.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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Quote:Yeah. They're called nutjobs. They may claim sides, but the sides don't claim them.
Don't be ridiculous, heretic; god COMMANDS us to kill those who are not like us:

Leviticus
20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

etc. etc. kill people etc. etc. abominations and hatred etc. etc. butthurt etc.

Quote:In fact, many people did pray for the moon landing to be successful. It worked - we got closer than ever before to touching "the face of God".
>Implying it wouldn't have happened anyway without useless prayer.

Quote:Obama's a Baptist - he's Christian too.
Wrong. He's a muslim, that means he follows the faith of Islam and the Qur'an.

Quote:We haven't had a single president who wasn't Christian
LOLWUT? FAIL.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, and John Tyler are often identified as having some degree of deistic, non-christian beliefs. John Quincy Adams and William Howard Taft were unitarians. Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon were quakers. Eisenhower was a presbyterian. Please research some facts before you post.

Quote:We're all unique, we're all special. God sees this
if god exists he just sees us as nothing more than "clay to be molded" and expendable playthings. Fuck him.

Quote:you're mildly idiotic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Keep a civil tongue, young lady.

Quote:Who are you to say that? God? You have no power here.
god doesn't do shit so he's not a good comparison. Besides, what about YOU, Mrs. "look at me I'm posting on the internet about hating school I'm such a political activist I'm totally helping end oppressive school by posting online on my blog about how much I hate it!" Why don't you pratice what you preach? I know, not something you so-called "christians" do, considering you can't be assed to even read the bible considering you've already made several fallacies and errancy about it. Besides, humans have done more without god than he has or ever will. Inventing the wheel, powered flight, penicillin, etc. god is obsolete.

Quote:Evolution is, in many cases, unnecessary
Science is true regardless of what you believe.

Evolution is a proven fact:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Analysis_of...nski_Paper

And just to kick the crap EVEN MORE out of useless and dangerous christfagianity, here's a bonus, once again, disproving everything religion stands for:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_resu...reationism

I'm glad we had this talk. Now stop making assumptions and go read your bible. You *ARE* a christian, yes? You CAN'T know god's word IF YOU DON'T READ THE BIBLE. FUCKING READ IT. ALL THE HATRED AND SHIT IS OUTLINED FOR YOU. GOD WANTS PEOPLE TO KILL EACHOTHER. GOD APPROVES OF SLAVERY. BEING GAY IS A SIN.

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(11-07-2012 11:05 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  
Quote:Yeah. They're called nutjobs. They may claim sides, but the sides don't claim them.
Don't be ridiculous, heretic; god COMMANDS us to kill those who are not like us:

Leviticus
20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

etc. etc. kill people etc. etc. abominations and hatred etc. etc. butthurt etc.

Quote:In fact, many people did pray for the moon landing to be successful. It worked - we got closer than ever before to touching "the face of God".
>Implying it wouldn't have happened anyway without useless prayer.

Quote:Obama's a Baptist - he's Christian too.
Wrong. He's a muslim, that means he follows the faith of Islam and the Qur'an.

Quote:We haven't had a single president who wasn't Christian
LOLWUT? FAIL.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, and John Tyler are often identified as having some degree of deistic, non-christian beliefs. John Quincy Adams and William Howard Taft were unitarians. Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon were quakers. Eisenhower was a presbyterian. Please research some facts before you post.

Quote:We're all unique, we're all special. God sees this
if god exists he just sees us as nothing more than "clay to be molded" and expendable playthings. Fuck him.

Quote:you're mildly idiotic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Keep a civil tongue, young lady.

Quote:Who are you to say that? God? You have no power here.
god doesn't do shit so he's not a good comparison. Besides, what about YOU, Mrs. "look at me I'm posting on the internet about hating school I'm such a political activist I'm totally helping end oppressive school by posting online on my blog about how much I hate it!" Why don't you pratice what you preach? I know, not something you so-called "christians" do, considering you can't be assed to even read the bible considering you've already made several fallacies and errancy about it. Besides, humans have done more without god than he has or ever will. Inventing the wheel, powered flight, penicillin, etc. god is obsolete.

Quote:Evolution is, in many cases, unnecessary
Science is true regardless of what you believe.

Evolution is a proven fact:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Analysis_of...nski_Paper

And just to kick the crap EVEN MORE out of useless and dangerous christfagianity, here's a bonus, once again, disproving everything religion stands for:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_resu...reationism

I'm glad we had this talk. Now stop making assumptions and go read your bible. You *ARE* a christian, yes? You CAN'T know god's word IF YOU DON'T READ THE BIBLE. FUCKING READ IT. ALL THE HATRED AND SHIT IS OUTLINED FOR YOU. GOD WANTS PEOPLE TO KILL EACHOTHER. GOD APPROVES OF SLAVERY. BEING GAY IS A SIN.

...or are you a http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Christian ?
Alright, I'll bite.

1. Old Testament. Even the book of truth has a few outdated sections.
2. My implication is justified. In any case, prayer certainly didn't hurt.
3. No, he's a Baptist - you fell for yet another urban legend.
4. Many presidents have been accused of being atheists, but the fact of the matter is that each and every one publicly claimed and reinforced the claim that they were Christians. It has never been proven that a president has belonged to any religious (or non-religious) affiliation other than those under Christianity. (Where are you getting your facts?)
5. You obviously don't know God. (Is that irony or just plain true?)
6. I said "mildly". And I'm a guy.
7. It doesn't matter if evolution is a proven fact (which is incorrect - it is a scientific theory, which is as close as you can get to proven fact without actually being such) - science has proven that not all adaptations are an improvement of a species. I don't even see why this matters, in any case - you misinterpreted what I said.
8. Oh no. I made a human error by not reading the thing cover to cover. My analysis, however, of passages I did read indicates that the numerous contradictions within it are...nah, I'd probably bore you with what I've found. Let's just say it's more lost in translation than people realize.

I'm not very qualified to combat antitheism, but I do know a little bit about atheism. I think I'll share my opinions on that somewhere that isn't dotted with debate.

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Adolf Hitler was a Christian, Albert Einstein was a either a agonist or atheist. Science takes you to the stars, religion takes you to a eternal pit of lava for 95% of the people. Parent's have disowned, physically abused, or even killed their own children and caused wars over their beliefs. SomeRandomHuman isn't the only person with death a defyingly insane parent. Some people have whole families of religious SomeRandomHuman moms. Now that my friend is true hell.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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Quote:Old Testament. Even the book of truth has a few outdated sections
The entire thing is filled to the brim with lies. Its not because its "outdated" its because its a bunch of crap cooked up by savages in the bronze age to explain the unknowable.

Quote:Many presidents have been accused of being atheists, but the fact of the matter is that each and every one publicly claimed and reinforced the claim that they were Christians. It has never been proven that a president has belonged to any religious (or non-religious) affiliation other than those under Christianity.
You're joking, right? It's not the same thing as christianity. But if you must, here: http://adherents.com/adh_presidents.html
Get it right.

Quote:You obviously don't know God
Me personally? No, but that's because he doesn't exist. Oh but I suppose a cafeteria christian like you who hasn't even read the bible knows him better?

Quote:I said "mildly". And I'm a guy.
Still an ad hominem. That would be like saying I called you "kind of" an asshole.

also, you're a girl?

MIND = BLOWN

Quote: It doesn't matter if evolution is a proven fact (which is incorrect - it is a scientific theory, which is as close as you can get to proven fact without actually being such)
Science Fail. If a man hath eyes, let him READ:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evolution#I...y_a_theory

Quote:science has proven that not all adaptations are an improvement of a species.
Again, science fail. Evolution is about adaption, not "improvement" so whether or not an adaption is an "improvement" is a complete misunderstanding of how evolution works.

Quote:I'm not very qualified to combat antitheism, but I do know a little bit about atheism. I think I'll share my opinions on that somewhere that isn't dotted with debate.
Translation: "I can't combat the fact that christianity is inconsistent within its own teachings and I realize that, also this religion is morally bankrupt but because I can't come up with some promising counter-arguments I will just not bother with it because I'd fail. Hard."

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Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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(11-07-2012 11:58 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  Adolf Hitler was a Christian, Albert Einstein was a either a agonist or atheist. Science takes you to the stars, religion takes you to a eternal pit of lava for 95% of the people. Parent's have disowned, physically abused, or even killed their own children and caused wars over their beliefs. SomeRandomHuman isn't the only person with death a defyingly insane parent. Some people have whole families of religious SomeRandomHuman moms. Now that my friend is true hell.

Hitler was catholic and Einstein was a pantheist.

But yes, religion is bullshit, I agree with you there.

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Dear Tumblrites: Despite your wrongly self-diagnosed PTSD, no line of scientific evidence suggests people can be triggered over the internet. Triggering works through the senses (i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes through real time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it's ACTUALLY HAPPENING in your ACTUAL life, you CANNOT be triggered. The only exception to this is if you have a seizure, but then again, that's triggered by epilepsy (i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights) NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having a flashback. When you remember, you think; when you flashback, you feel.

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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself." The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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Close enough, also Mitt Romney is mormon and is losing the election! SUCCESS!

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(11-07-2012 12:57 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  Close enough, also Mitt Romney is mormon and is losing the election! SUCCESS!
Romney is neither a Mormon nor losing. It's neck and neck at worst, and he's winning by a fair margin at best.

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Romney lost.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(11-08-2012 11:12 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  Romney lost.
Thank you, thank you for the harsh reminder.

...Also, apparently he is Mormon. Shrug

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(11-05-2012 02:01 PM)Sociopath Wrote:  
(11-05-2012 01:46 PM)IamNoone Wrote:  Not exactly related, but do you think, sociopath, people that dream of extraordinarily detailed things that happened to another person, like people whoreme,ber things from other people's life that they could not possibly know of, can be soley to confirmation bias and coincidence?
Its unlikely as ever to even be the real thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases

If it is, there's no way we can be sure of or not if they're lying, unless it was call-for-call, and even then we're not sure: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Negative_proof

If there's even somewhat of it being true, its most likely exaggerated unless there's a long list of them calling it "for real" and even then, we cannot be so sure: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Selective_reporting

On the unlikely chance it *is* call-for-call, it makes no difference. It's most likely just due to pure luck: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Improbable_things_happen


So in actuality, unless I have have clear-cut empirical evidence, the answer is, quite simply, Yes, all due to bias and/or coincidence.

...you're not going all religious/psuedoscientific on me, are you?
No I was just wondering. I heard of one case where the girl insisted on these memories she had and eventually her parents drove her to the place, talked to the relatives of the person whose memory the girl had, and found out it was all accurate. Then my dad brought up a similar experience, which reminded me of the first one.

I just personally think it is one of the few things that skirt the edges of our understanding.

That and the whole weird thing with the way our brain makes descisions that effect the past.

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How come everyone on this site is Republican except me? He basically lied his entire campaign just to be president and run America like a company. He was bound to drive his Mormon beliefs into his judgement as a president and barely knew what was going on in politics to the point where he fulfilled the stereotype that all theist will change the subject and pretend it never happened to win a argument.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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Quote:No I was just wondering. I heard of one case where the girl insisted on these memories she had and eventually her parents drove her to the place, talked to the relatives of the person whose memory the girl had, and found out it was all accurate. Then my dad brought up a similar experience, which reminded me of the first one.

I just personally think it is one of the few things that skirt the edges of our understanding.

That and the whole weird thing with the way our brain makes descisions that effect the past.
Please read this: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdote#An...l_evidence

Quote:How come everyone on this site is Republican except me?
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself." The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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So you're republican Fox News following anti-school anarchist?ConfusedScratchchinCuckoo

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  How come everyone on this site is Republican except me?
I thought I was the only Republican here. (Actually, I'm not even Republican. It's just the least stupid major party.)
(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  He basically lied his entire campaign
Claiming a presidential candidate is lying is a very big step to take - if, at any time, a candidate is actually caught lying about another candidate, their ass could be sued for libel/slander and they wouldn't have a chance at winning.
(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  just to be president
Lots of people want to be president. He didn't make it.
(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  and run America like a company.
In a sense, it is a company; the world's largest. The federal government employs more people than Wal-Mart, collects more money each year than most fast food chains, and has accumulated so much debt that the economy is going down with it.

Romney, a businessman, would no doubt know a lot more about the economy than Obama. If only he could exercise his opportunity to save it.
(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  He was bound to drive his Mormon beliefs into his judgement as a president
Lots of presidents (even the great ones) were influenced by religion. I fail to see your point.
(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  and barely knew what was going on in politics
Considering he participated in the 2008 primary, made several breathtaking speeches on the state of our nation and its economy, and has been politically active for, likely, longer than you've been alive, I think he actually does know what is going on in politics. But, that's subjective. Perhaps I should cede to you on that point, provided you can back it up.
(11-08-2012 01:14 PM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  to the point where he fulfilled the stereotype that all theist will change the subject and pretend it never happened to win a argument.
...could you run that by me again, without the udder idiocy this time? It sounds to me like you're trying to say that all theists are incapable of argumentation.

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(11-09-2012 06:35 AM)AmericanAtheistAnarchist Wrote:  So you're republican Fox News following anti-school anarchist?ConfusedScratchchinCuckoo

You must be joking. What you said doesn't even make sense; you can't be a republican AND an anarchist; one side endorses a party while the other opposes it, it's an absurdity. And where the fuck did fox news come from? No shit, you plonker, I hate that station. I'm not a republican, I'm an anarchist.


Related: Why Romney would be a terrible president as well as human being http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney


Obama is less worse but still sucks. DoA, read this stuff.

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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself." The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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I demand Bill Nye be president! Wait how did religion become politics? To get this back on topic explain how god makes humans believe in other gods when humans are mini mini gods when the head god says there shall be no gods before me showing god is both Christian,Atheist,Jewish,Islam,and many other religions that believe in other gods and even made his son a mini god that was originally Jewish.(Yes it's that confusing.)

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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I don't believe in organized religion. I'm a very spiritual person but spirituality ≠ religion.

I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness by a psychotic, abusive wench. That experience let me see first hand how group mentality can be very destructive. Abstract thinking, doubts of God and differences of any kind was shunned by the religion. They claimed to be an organization of love but all I saw was gossip. They said anyone could leave at any time but not before they attempted to guilt you into staying.

I was thirteen when I told authorities about my home life and they moved me in with my dad, who is not a believer. The congregation knew this and started trying to convince me to move back with my mother, even though I told them what she did to me. Everyone who told me they were my friend, that they were there for me chose to believe my abuser over me because I was just a kid. That was the final straw and I completely cut myself off from everyone I knew there and moved on.

At first, it was very disorienting and disillusioning to leave behind a belief system that has been pounded into my head since birth. That was when I stopped being spoon-fed and coddled like an infant. I had to stand on my own two feet and teach myself to walk. Of course, I fell a couple times but before I knew it, I was running in marathons. For the first time in my life, I started thinking for myself. Leaving that religion was one of the best choices I've ever made for my well being.

Since then, I have been on a spectacular spiritual journey and I've thought a lot about questions you are currently asking. To find the answers I needed to tear down the barriers that I had built in my brain. Destroy the limits that others (and even myself) had instilled within me. Why does there have to be one God? What if there are thousands and thousands of different spiritual entities? What if the Bible is not true? Questions like this just kept coming and it is really mind-expanding.

When it comes to the Bible and Christianity, I am not a fan. I find their philosophy to be too black and white and Bible-God seems very moody and not all that loving.

I believe life is a learning experience. We are here on this physical plane to learn different lessons. I don't know what you are supposed to learn since this journey is very personal, I can only speak for myself. One thing I do NOT believe is that fate governs every aspect of our life. It is not up to anyone else but ourselves to make us happy. How you behave, how you feel and what you do is up to one person- you. If you are constantly reliant on someone else (whether they be human or spirit) to fix your problems or to give you fulfillment, then you will fall into some sort of depression.

I like the saying "if you do what you've always done, you will get what you've always gotten."

I've been there myself, depressed and suicidal, weeping and waiting for my problems to fix themselves. That never happened.
Things only changed when I stood up and decided to take control of my own life. I had to get myself out of a bad situation. I had to make a conscious decision to get help to overcome my depressed and self-destructive behaviors (i cut myself from ages 12-14). It was hard and definitely a struggle, but I got through it. I was in therapy for over a year and that really helped. Before I knew it, I didn't need it anymore. Yes, I still occasionally relapsed back into depression but I've always been able to dig myself out.

I am really sorry you do have to deal with depression. It is really hard to feel hopeless every second of the day. Especially, if you are dealing with all this other spiritual confusion. My heart goes out to you and I wish you the best. If it is fitting for you, I recommend getting professional help.

Also, good luck on your spiritual journey. You have to find what works for YOU. Different people have different paths.

Since you seem down, I'll give you a link to an Oingo Boingo song because this video is hilarious.


Watch on YouTube

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And I stare at the back of my old notebook
And the teacher gives me a dirty look
And I've got just one thing on my mind
No matter how hard I try and try
I feel like someone else"

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(11-09-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  
Quote:No I was just wondering. I heard of one case where the girl insisted on these memories she had and eventually her parents drove her to the place, talked to the relatives of the person whose memory the girl had, and found out it was all accurate. Then my dad brought up a similar experience, which reminded me of the first one.

I just personally think it is one of the few things that skirt the edges of our understanding.

That and the whole weird thing with the way our brain makes descisions that effect the past.
Please read this: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdote#An...l_evidence

Quote:How come everyone on this site is Republican except me?
AHAHAHAHA YOU BEST BE FUCKING JOKING NIGGER

Thought Criminal and I are anarchists. Fox is a minarchist. Wez is a capitalist. HoS is apolitical, and I don't know about everyone else. But to say we're "republican" is ridiculous.
I dont even see how that's related, tbh.

And holy fuck you still aren't over that anarchy bullshit?
I thought we talked about it.
It would just be warlords with gangs that take over everything.
However minimal, we need some type of government.

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So I’d rather die for a cause than live a life that is worthless
I don’t need the circus or the day of national observance
I need you to think for you and stop being a servant
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(11-10-2012 06:50 AM)IamNoone Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 06:07 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  
Quote:No I was just wondering. I heard of one case where the girl insisted on these memories she had and eventually her parents drove her to the place, talked to the relatives of the person whose memory the girl had, and found out it was all accurate. Then my dad brought up a similar experience, which reminded me of the first one.

I just personally think it is one of the few things that skirt the edges of our understanding.

That and the whole weird thing with the way our brain makes descisions that effect the past.
Please read this: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdote#An...l_evidence

Quote:How come everyone on this site is Republican except me?
AHAHAHAHA YOU BEST BE FUCKING JOKING NIGGER

Thought Criminal and I are anarchists. Fox is a minarchist. Wez is a capitalist. HoS is apolitical, and I don't know about everyone else. But to say we're "republican" is ridiculous.
I dont even see how that's related, tbh.

And holy fuck you still aren't over that anarchy bullshit?
I thought we talked about it.
It would just be warlords with gangs that take over everything.
However minimal, we need some type of government.

Clearly you know nothing about the subject and I don't believe we've ever discussed it. Plenty of examples throughout history of anarchy were quite nice and didn't have "warlords and gangs" bullshit you're talking about. government is oppressive and bad, m'kay? We don't need it.

the fuck do you mean "its not related"? That's bullshit; you heard some bad acid trip complete lie of a story and you *want* to believe it because you're disgruntled with life and want to believe religious lies that there's "more out there." No there isn't. This is it. Get used to it or off yourself.

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(11-10-2012 05:15 AM)ContinuityMistake Wrote:  (lots of stuff)
Wow, that's hectic. Who are you actually staying with now?

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I don't like it when people see things in a black and white kind of way... and that goes for religious people and atheists alike. I like to think 'what if?'... and people going all "this is how it is, this is truth"... well, it just sucks. It's boring. It's like a teacher in school insisting you do something their way even though it sucks all the fun out of it. The right way to do something is whichever way works best for YOU... for whatever your own personal priorities are. It's about the journey, not the destination.

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(11-10-2012 08:14 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  
(11-10-2012 05:15 AM)ContinuityMistake Wrote:  (lots of stuff)
Wow, that's hectic. Who are you actually staying with now?

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I don't like it when people see things in a black and white kind of way... and that goes for religious people and atheists alike. I like to think 'what if?'... and people going all "this is how it is, this is truth"... well, it just sucks. It's boring. It's like a teacher in school insisting you do something their way even though it sucks all the fun out of it. The right way to do something is whichever way works best for YOU... for whatever your own personal priorities are. It's about the journey, not the destination.

It was! I'm living with my father, sister and her boyfriend now. Things are much better.

Exactly! Life is an adventure. We all need to respect each other's believes even if they are different from our own. The logical needs to stop bashing the faithful and the faithful needs to stop bashing the logical. Besides, I don't think spirituality and rationality are necessarily mutually exclusive. Just because an idea is abstract doesn't mean there is no rhyme or reason to it. Like the things I believe, I believe them because I have seen them. I entertain ideas that I have not fully seen but I still consider them possibilities. Like you said, it is more fun that way. Besides, what IS right and wrong? It's subjective.

I only scanned the argument in this thread because fighting really wears me out. There's enough of that already in the world.

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It's not fighting, it's debate. Even some very peaceful people, the Tibetan Buddhists, debate very often. It's a way of clearing oneself from delusion and understanding how the world actually works. Fighting is when you attack people. I wish the best for everyone, and though it is hard to behave well (I mess up very often) I try to say things that will benefit others in some way.

I suggest that you attempt to purify your mind from delusion. Everyone must work hard and commit to finding the truth.
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(11-10-2012 09:17 AM)zagix Wrote:  It's not fighting, it's debate. Even some very peaceful people, the Tibetan Buddhists, debate very often. It's a way of clearing oneself from delusion and understanding how the world actually works. Fighting is when you attack people. I wish the best for everyone, and though it is hard to behave well (I mess up very often) I try to say things that will benefit others in some way.

I suggest that you attempt to purify your mind from delusion. Everyone must work hard and commit to finding the truth.

And how do you know I am not striving to find such truth? My entire life has been a journey of trying to learn. Just because I am not not for arguing doesn't mean I don't have any stable beliefs. I certainly do.
Also, I live in a very small town full of devout Christians and stubborn atheists, everyday I come encounter with these types of debates. It gets old and played out.

Now I'm going to ask for you to stop assuming stuff about me and I'll work on purifying my mind.

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If you wish to learn, please stop constructing delusions. Begin by breathing slowly, and focusing on the sensation of breath, and nothing but the breath. Count slowly, and maintain this practice and focus.

If you wish to learn, please use reputable sources. I suggest reading thermodynamics to start off learning. Macroscopic thermodynamics can tell you about heat currents which are just as exciting as the spirits you speak of, and unlike spirits, macroscopic thermodynamics is empirically verifiable.
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