Gender Dysphoria

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AAAAAAAAhhhh, this. This very controversial topic. Ah. Now, some of you know I'm an ex-trans or some gay experimental trans. I've done the things the female to male people have done to look and feel more boyish. Not to the point of surgery and testosterone treatment. I even had a doctor see if I was pretty sure I wanted testosterone treatment. This is all bullshit, just like those people that believe they feel they should've been born a type of animal. I believe the environment/society and self esteem and how you are raised affects your "gender identity". For example: if your'e a girl and you like to do boyish stuff and all that shiet. Cause you feel your'e a special snowflake. You ain't like the other girls honey! But you see other girls liking the girl stuff. You might get told don't do this cause you are not a guy. You're going to feel like, "oh gee, i should've been a boy". Same goes for the guys. It is a disorder because, damn. You believe in something that is false. The proof is your body. You have no proof of what you believe in. Just like Christianity. Just like depression, anxiety. Just like those weirdos that want to cut their limbs off because they believe its some extra body part, etc. I'm sure most of the world will call these things a disorder. Any practical, logical person. If only, they think hard enough about this trending one. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, just watch these cheesy videos.









I could've explained in a more nicer way but I'm poofed and I got no one to back me up because most likely they are afraid of hurting someone else's feelings. And they are not thinking logical enough.





Kiss my bum mothafuckaaaaaaaazzzzzzzz

[James Comey]

Okay...

I knew a transgender person once. Really cool person. One of the best people I've met; sadly we went our separate ways (she didn't really have a strong presence on social networking).

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Uryitiogi Wrote:AAAAAAAAhhhh, this. This very controversial topic. Ah. Now, some of you know I'm an ex-trans or some gay experimental trans. I've done the things the female to male people have done to look and feel more boyish. Not to the point of surgery and testosterone treatment.

So you think you're an expert on transsexuality because you were an "experimental trans" and realized that you're not actually trans?

Uryitiogi Wrote:For example: if your'e a girl and you like to do boyish stuff and all that shiet. Cause you feel your'e a special snowflake. You ain't like the other girls honey! But you see other girls liking the girl stuff. You might get told don't do this cause you are not a guy. You're going to feel like, "oh gee, i should've been a boy".

That's not what it's about. There are masculine women and feminine men who are fine with their bodies the way that they are. But doing "boyish stuff" or "girlish stuff" isn't going to solve the physical discomfort transgender people have with their bodies.

Uryitigoi Wrote:This is all bullshit, just like those people that believe they feel they should've been born a type of animal.

It's theorized that the brains of ftms are masculinized. But human brains cannot be "animalized".

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2...rain-scan/

I'd also like to point out that trying to "cure" transgender people of their condition has been about as effective as trying to "cure" gay people, and it's been shown that allowing transgender people to transition positively affects their quality of life. But I don't see why you care. None of this affects you. Just let people make their own decisions, and don't assume that your experience applies to everybody else.

[James Comey]

Dead bringing the heat.

[sswbm]

There is no such thing as a "masculine brain" or a "feminine brain". Reminds me of the "autistic brain" thing.

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(04-13-2017 03:08 AM)Jop Wrote:  There is no such thing as a "masculine brain" or a "feminine brain". Reminds me of the "autistic brain" thing.

Did you look at the article? There are differences in the white matter in brains of males and females. And the white matter in the brains of transgender people resemble that of the gender they identify as, not their sex.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:I believe the environment/society and self esteem and how you are raised affects your "gender identity". For example: if your'e a girl and you like to do boyish stuff and all that shiet. Cause you feel your'e a special snowflake. You ain't like the other girls honey! But you see other girls liking the girl stuff. You might get told don't do this cause you are not a guy. You're going to feel like, "oh gee, i should've been a boy".

I'm not sure I see your point here... so you're saying people with female parts should feel like females and like to do "girl stuff"? And if they don't, it's because they think they feel like they're special snowflakes, and they have a disorder? Is that what you're actually saying here, because that's what it sounds like...

What if... like... a kid who is born a girl just never started liking "girl stuff" in the first place? And the first people to notice she doesn't want to wear dresses and play with dolls etc, are her parents, and they are the ones who bring up "maybe she thinks she's a boy" long before she herself even thinks about "boy stuff" or "girl stuff" or whatever the fuck the difference even is?

What the fuck is the difference, anyway? Let people like whatever they like, and stop gendering everything, it's just confusing...

I don't think I have a gender identity at all. I don't really understand people who do, but it does seem to be a thing that most people have. The closest thing to 'dysphoria' that I get is when people make assumptions about me based on what they think my gender is apparently supposed to be. Like, at school, when they dumped all the girls together in the changing rooms and expected them to be perfectly comfortable just getting undressed in front of each other. Like... hell no. And when people make some comment about "women are so X/whatever" and then they look at me... as if I'm supposed to respond in some specific way... like, dude, I didn't even think your comment applied to me in the first place, don't drag me into your issues. And when I fill in forms, and I'm supposed to tick either Male or Female... and I'm like... do I really have to pick one? Neither of these are right... meh. So, I think lots of people's dysphoria is based on other people's reaction to them, and society's expectations, not just from their own bodies (although it does seem that's an issue for a lot of people too, but I wouldn't know). If people weren't trying so hard to gender everything, it'd probably be less of an issue.

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(04-13-2017 03:42 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  

Quote:I believe the environment/society and self esteem and how you are raised affects your "gender identity". For example: if your'e a girl and you like to do boyish stuff and all that shiet. Cause you feel your'e a special snowflake. You ain't like the other girls honey! But you see other girls liking the girl stuff. You might get told don't do this cause you are not a guy. You're going to feel like, "oh gee, i should've been a boy".

I'm not sure I see your point here... so you're saying people with female parts should feel like females and like to do "girl stuff"? And if they don't, it's because they think they feel like they're special snowflakes, and they have a disorder? Is that what you're actually saying here, because that's what it sounds like...

I think what Uryitiogi was trying to say is that people think they're trans because they like boy stuff or girl stuff, and that they should just accept that they're a girl that likes boy stuff or vice versa instead of transitioning. But I think that's a stretch. People don't generally think "Oh, I like video games and having short hair, I guess I'll cut my tits off and take male hormones". What they might think is "Oh, I wish I had a flat chest and a deeper voice/facial hair/male fat distribution, I guess I'll cut my tits off and take male hormones".

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(04-13-2017 03:26 AM)Dead Wrote:  There are differences in the white matter in brains of males and females. And the white matter in the brains of transgender people resemble that of the gender they identify as, not their sex.

Statistics.

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(04-13-2017 04:28 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:26 AM)Dead Wrote:  There are differences in the white matter in brains of males and females. And the white matter in the brains of transgender people resemble that of the gender they identify as, not their sex.

Statistics.

Are you asking for statistics?

Quote:Antonio Guillamon‘s team at the National University of Distance Education in Madrid, Spain, think they have found a better way to spot a transsexual brain. In a study due to be published next month, the team ran MRI scans on the brains of 18 female-to-male transsexual people who’d had no treatment and compared them with those of 24 males and 19 females.

They found significant differences between male and female brains in four regions of white matter – and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006). “It’s the first time it has been shown that the brains of female-to-male transsexual people are masculinised,” Guillamon says.

That was from the article I linked.

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(04-13-2017 04:34 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:28 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:26 AM)Dead Wrote:  There are differences in the white matter in brains of males and females. And the white matter in the brains of transgender people resemble that of the gender they identify as, not their sex.

Statistics.

Are you asking for statistics?

Sorry. No, I tried to say that statistics aren't proof of anything.

EDIT: What I meant is that statistics alone don't prove anything. The differences in white matter could be related to personality traits, that are commonly associated with a certain gender.

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(04-13-2017 04:42 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:34 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:28 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:26 AM)Dead Wrote:  There are differences in the white matter in brains of males and females. And the white matter in the brains of transgender people resemble that of the gender they identify as, not their sex.

Statistics.

Are you asking for statistics?

Sorry. No, I tried to say that statistics aren't proof of anything.

So it can't be proved, for example, that smoking causes lung cancer?

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(04-13-2017 04:57 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:42 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:34 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:28 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:26 AM)Dead Wrote:  There are differences in the white matter in brains of males and females. And the white matter in the brains of transgender people resemble that of the gender they identify as, not their sex.

Statistics.

Are you asking for statistics?

Sorry. No, I tried to say that statistics aren't proof of anything.

So it can't be proved, for example, that smoking causes lung cancer?

Are statistics the only method they used to prove that?

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(04-13-2017 04:59 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:57 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:42 AM)Jop Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:34 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:28 AM)Jop Wrote:  Statistics.

Are you asking for statistics?

Sorry. No, I tried to say that statistics aren't proof of anything.

So it can't be proved, for example, that smoking causes lung cancer?

Are statistics the only method they used to prove that?

Can you prove to me that smoking causes lung cancer without statistics?

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(04-13-2017 05:03 AM)Dead Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:59 AM)Jop Wrote:  Sorry. No, I tried to say that statistics aren't proof of anything.

So it can't be proved, for example, that smoking causes lung cancer?

Just Googled for "smoking lung cancer"

http://blog.dana-farber.org/insight/2016...ng-cancer/

Quote:Chemicals such as tar and formaldehyde within tobacco smoke penetrate the cells and damage DNA. This can wreak havoc in genes that control the delicate process of cell growth and division: genes that promote division may become hyperactive, and genes that apply the brakes to runaway division may lose their grip.
By itself, the damage to genetic programming can cause normal lung cells to turn cancerous, but the process gets a major assist from a second effect of tobacco smoke: inflammation. Inflammation is part of the immune system’s response to disease or tissue damage. A teeming squad of white blood cells, hormones, and other substances pours into the affected area to fight invaders, remove dead or injured cells, and make repairs. The process is essential to healing wounds and rebuilding damaged tissue. But it can also be a driving force for cancer.

The baneful effects of DNA damage plus inflammation have been demonstrated in numerous research studies. In one, researchers exposed mouse lungs to a tobacco carcinogen (cancer-causing chemical) alone, or in combination with another substance that induces lung inflammation. The combination accelerated the development of lung cancers that carried a mutation in the gene KRAS – a common feature of many human lung cancers.

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Those are statistics.

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What in there is statistical other than "a common feature"?

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Just that part, I guess.

Anyways, I don't think it'd make sense if what I was talking about earlier was just a coincidence. But I can't be fucked to talk about it anymore. It doesn't matter how much research is done on the subject, because people are still going to think it's viably possible to change how we think about ourselves. And that frankly doesn't matter either, because they can't do much about it.

[James Comey]

I mean to further expand on Dead's point, generally a masculine man has quite feminine traits and vice versa... I think the OP is seriously confused here, but then again I can't blame the OP because this shit is pretty confusing at a young age and through puberty.

[the Analogist]

just wanted to point out the psychologists preserving the status quo arricle SR posted, coupled with the fact that conversion therapy as it was called was pretty much shut down by the gay lobby around the 80's I believe.

what we know about anything doesnt just come from research, analysis (two separate activities BTW), and debate. when it happens seriously with handfuls of real people at universities or think-tank type institutions it has usually been funded by money from somewhere, the flow of which is ALWAYS politically motivated. like Catholic funded psychological research on mothers who had abortions, or Muslims funding research on the health effects of pork.

expertise in psychology does not exist with respect to research per se, it exists with respect to well explained theories of causation sometimes but not necessarily backed by statistical research, which can easily mislead. Carl Jung gave the example of three rocks, 5 oz., 5 oz., and 20 oz. the average weight 10 oz. tells you nothing helpful or accurate about the rocks.

i could poke tons of holes in any research posted, but that doesnt prove my point or disprove theirs. more properly we try to get to the bottom of why we believe what we believe and be honest with ourselves about how stupid our reasons actually are (if they are)

1) hypothesis
i think being confused about your gender would be caused by some external social alienation.
2) research target
what is the nature and source if this alienation? is there a corollary to investigate?
3) actual research?
maybe it exists. im too lazy to look. i therefore withdraw my passion and say I dont really know anything about it.

[the Analogist]

my recent contribution continues and expands on this topic. my hypothesis here appears at least partially confirmed.

also why did my post end up being last? why does it seem like that happens a lot. like post farting, then the room clears out.

[HawkbitAlpha]

(04-13-2017 04:42 AM)Jop Wrote:  Sorry. No, I tried to say that statistics aren't proof of anything.

You really are a special kind of stupid, aren't you...

The only situation where statistics prove nothing is religion. It goes "god", "priests", "blind followers", and then, statistically, Jop.

[sswbm]

According to statistics, planes are the safest way to travel.
In reality of course this is not true because in an emergency there's nowhere you can go.
This is the simplest example.

[the Analogist]

you can land on the Hudson