Smoking ciggerates, should It be allowed for the youth?

[MurkScribe]

(11-17-2014 12:11 PM)MurkScribe Wrote:  I thought about this ever since I was sent to the so called progressive "therapeutic" school, which is nothing more than a place to dump all the defiant, hyper, eccentric kids so that the local district has a easier time babysitting their own students. That there's a shit ton of smokers. I look down on cigarettes, because it slowly kills you, yet I feel that people overall completely abstain form the use of drugs and have complete exaggerations of some drugs. I feel that the youth are very capable of making their own decisions and should be granted the freedoms as well. Something like the age of 12?

Thoughts or Things to add to the discussion?

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[brainiac3397]

Hah. Adults can be trusted to make the right decision when coupled with peer pressure, you think youth can?

[Sharpie]

There's a lot of adults who don't understand how nicotine works and how much smoking can impact your health. You think 12 year olds will? pls.


If you're going to do a drug, whether just once or on a regular basis, you should know how it works, why, and any risks associated with using it. I don't think many 12 year olds are capable of achieving a satisfactory level of understanding in order to sufficiently reduce any harm that may occur from using said drugs.

[MurkScribe]

Yes, but there's also lot of adults who don't know anything about politics, simply because there kept blissfully ignorant their whole entire lives. Does that mean we should ban voting for youth and adults for simply not knowing? Or is it that we should educate the population?

[Sharpie]

Politics generally don't kill you or cause serious health issues, quit being silly


Nearly everyone is aware that cigarettes are terrible for you

[MurkScribe]

Yes , but they can cause decrease in wages, even bigger corporations, can kill and conquer completely defenseless third world countries for resources, militarized space objects that can threaten the world, a police state, ban our freedom of speech, If we say absolutely nothing and never assert our rights. The dangers of Cigarettes is minuscule compared to an uneducated population.

[TheCancer]

I think smoking is something you have to learn on your own and shouldn't be taught in school. Private tutoring is acceptable if the kid is really inept. Working a lighter in the wind, the French inhale, rolling your own, packing a pipe, proper cigar etiquette, posing with a lit cigarette, and so on. These are not concerns of the public school system but can be appropriately addressed with a private tutor. Smoking mentor is good work for a 10th grade girl. Dog walking and baby sitting are also great money earners that build character and self-esteem.

[brainiac3397]

What? Humans got along fine without caring for politics. When the insane things you point out did seem to near, then peoplemcared, heads rolled, cities burned and all was normal.

Too much involvement in politics is bad as well. Look at Africa and South America. They into politics so much, these guys get into decade long civil wars to prove a point.

[Chanku]

To be honest I agree, although to a point, I feel an overhaul of the 'drug education' is necessary, in which it's not focused on making you not do drugs, but is focused on informing you about drugs, and what they could do(using scientific studies and facts through the course).

This way you know the risks and if you choose to do it then it's your choice.

[brainiac3397]

Which scientific study? In murika, there is no such thing as an independent non-partisan non-ideological objectively based study. Or there is but politics is busy shitting all over it.

[Chanku]

Who says we have to use American studies?

[brainiac3397]

What patriotic murikan would listen to the lies spewed by foreign scum!
USA!USA!USA!

[MurkScribe]

Speaking of biased completely subjective research on the intent of supporting the status quo. Could we all agree marijuana can run the pharmaceutical industry down in the depths of hell where it belongs?

[Rule_BreakerXVIII]

On one hand, smoking is a really dangerous habit. On the other hand, outright banning something is more counterproductive. I'll settle for an education about drugs, i guess.

[Chanku]

remember: Banning something doesn't make it go away, it just makes it illegal. Besides if it's legal, at the very least the government can get money from it.

[MurkScribe]

The Government profiting from the addiction of smokers? That's quite malicious and evil.

[MurkScribe]

Really the solution to less hard drug use is less media propaganda advertisements swaying consumers with images of "sophisticated" people and overall better research and spreading of knowledge to the population. Making the purchasing and use of cigarettes or tobacco, nicotine products won't necessarily lead to more use if there properly educated about it.

[Chanku]

(11-20-2014 07:00 AM)MurkScribe Wrote:  The Government profiting from the addiction of smokers? That's quite malicious and evil.

It's already done.

[brainiac3397]

Its called sin tax.

[sswbm]

Poison in the form of a stick.

[brainiac3397]

At least smoke organic tobacco from a pipe or something. Why inhale all that stuff they use to bind and wrap and etc.?

[KFC Nyan Cat]

Ban cigarettes, replace it with weed, profit.

[James Comey]

Lmao, cigarettes are bad enough for adults.

I don't smoke tobacco (not to mention it causes enough shit), this is irrelevant.

[Missile]

You could smoke if you were under 18 in the 50s

[brainiac3397]

Everybody smoked in the 50s. Tobacco companies had massive marketing campaigns to increase sales.

What some people assume to be a societal problem is in fact just the effect of big corporations molding and influencing society and culture to create profit. Makes you wonder how many of your views are actually formed through marketing campaigns.

[MurkScribe]

I'm certainly not for tobacco products . They are slow painful killers that will make suffer horribly later on their life. My argument is that the youth are very capable of making their own informed decisions, therefore should be given the rights like adults. I'm not saying that we should go back to the 40's or 50's and start letting everyone smoke around every corner. There will always be those few minority who spend countless thousands of dollar binge on things that could kill them, but they dont do something harmful to themselves simply because there irresponsible, the reason why they could do something like that is maybe they have something missing inside of themselves and their filling their void with video games, drinking, sex, junk food, or smoking tobacco.

[brainiac3397]

Nobody is capable of making the right decision in a society of peer pressure and media propaganda(aka marketing).

The world is a battlefield of ideas, easily transmitted through globalized and immediate forms of mass media. The liklihood of someone young actually making the right decision straight off the bat is based on various factors including parents, religion, experience, surrounding, friends and role models. Openess to experience and the cultural image of smoking being badass or cool tends to tip the odds towards smoking.

Thus you can not assume they can make decisions on their own if they are incapable of accepting the simple fact that smoking will kill you. Any hesitation, any reluctance, any disagreement is a sure sign of unconfident decision making based on other factors that are strong enough to actually persuade someone to inhale toxins into their lungs, and suffer the consequences despite clear evidence of just how smoking can destroy your insides.

If youth made informed decisions, there would be fewer drunks and smokers in the young age group. Hell, take a look at colleges where they binge drink alcohol despite the obvious fact they may end up doing something bad, harmful or even deadly!

And resorting to a vice to fill a "void" is in no way an informed decision when legitimate methods of dealing with their problems exist. Vices dont heal, they just temporarily numb. Doesnt stop the damage from progressing...

[Sharpie]

That's no argument at all, you're just stating your opinion without providing reasoning for why you believe that. Tell me why youths are capable of making sound decisions and I'll take you seriously.

[MurkScribe]

God dang i'm actually gonna have to go online and research about youth statistics and make a long arguement.

[Username]

ummm....?