IQ tests a big deal?

[CivikDamascus]

All the teachers constantly complain about how im not trying and how im so smart, since im in ESE, i got a IQ test in 5th grade, they finally let me see my records, and i have a IQ of 148,i dont see what the big deal is, its just a number, IQ tests really dont do anything anyways

[James Comey]

IQ tests are something I take with a lot of skepticism, especially considering that such tests can very widely.

[Ky]

My IQ is high enough to know that IQ isn't quite as critical as "EQ".

[Desu]

Don't listen to IQ tests, really.

[CivikDamascus]

Yea they seem like crap

[James Comey]

It's surprising your teacher even brought up your IQ. Seems people think intelligence and grades are interchangeable, when in reality they're not.

[Ky]

In fact, the higher your IQ, the generally less likely it is that you'll fit into the classroom mold setting. Often the intelligent become bored with their "work" at some point because they've previously mastered it, which sets up "bad" habits that carry on into later education. Happened with me.

[James Comey]

Definitely those with metacognition are able to easily see how worthless their work is in school.

[CivikDamascus]

I took the DNA report i saw on ur profile signature, says im a cautious thinker, hmm http://www.personaldna.com/report.php?k=...c43ef00db#

[KFC Nyan Cat]

IQs are like grades: numbers that are only useful because the HOOMANZ say so.

[James Comey]

I don't see any practical situation where an IQ test would be useful. Even more useless.

[154bmag]

IQ's aren't even important if their true. People may point to grades, but they don't give a damn about IQ.

[James Comey]

IQs are more for showboating, really.

[Potato]

Quote:IQ tests are something I take with a lot of skepticism, especially considering that such tests can very widely.

"For modern tests, the standard error of measurement is about three points, or in other words, the odds are about two out of three that a person's true IQ is in range from three points above to three points below the test IQ." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

edit: if you're talking about variations in scores between all the iq tests that you find online, those aren't real iq tests. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/...hey-valid. and any iq test that includes a vocab section is bullshit

Quote:It's surprising your teacher even brought up your IQ. Seems people think intelligence and grades are interchangeable, when in reality they're not.

"The correlation between IQ scores and grades is about .50. This means that the explained variance is 25%. Achieving good grades depends on many factors other than IQ, such as "persistence, interest in school, and willingness to study" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenc...l_outcomes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_pro...oefficient

Quote:In fact, the higher your IQ, the generally less likely it is that you'll fit into the classroom mold setting. Often the intelligent become bored with their "work" at some point because they've previously mastered it, which sets up "bad" habits that carry on into later education.

"In 2000 the New London, CT police department turned away a recruit for having an IQ above 125, under the argument that those with overly-high IQs will become bored and exhibit high turnover in the job. This policy has been challenged as discriminatory, but was upheld by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York." LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenc...l_outcomes

Quote:All the teachers constantly complain about how im not trying and how im so smart, since im in ESE, i got a IQ test in 5th grade, they finally let me see my records, and i have a IQ of 148,i dont see what the big deal is, its just a number, IQ tests really dont do anything anyways

the iq score itself isn't worth shit except as something to brag about (like how you're bragging about yours now). but being someone who is capable of doing so well on an iq test will probably give you a significant advantage in some important things. e.g. the sat.

[James Comey]

Wait, a police department actually refused to hire someone because of their IQ?

"Yeah, you completed all your training, but because of your high IQ, you can't be a police officer here!".

[Potato]

^police department*

[James Comey]

Whoops. Misread that. Must've confused it with a CT (I think) FD that was also sued around the same time, but over a different reason.

[timf]

IQ tests can measure intellectual capability, but only within a broad range as a person can score +/- 20 points on different days.

Your teacher was in effect saying that you cannot use a deficient ability as an excuse for poor school performance. The implication is that you have a defective desire to learn.

It is rather typical to blame the victim. You are taken by force and subjected to the industrial processing of information and then blamed for poor performance.

I took an IQ test in school and decided that I would answer the questions randomly. As there were four possible answers to each question, I assumed I would get close to a 25. The results were 12. I had to be interviewed by a counselor for my poor performance. I explained that I was conducting my own experiment. I was told that I should have taken the test seriously because it was important. My response was, "Not to me".

The world is run by a cadre of elites. There are only a few ways to join this group. The most common is to be born into a family that is already entrenched. There is an avenue of entrance for people of ability. Even if one is unable to soar to the heights of social position, there are many fairly comfortable employment positions for the administrators and technicians of this world.

There are also a fair number of alternatives to this world that require working on the fringe and being willing to settle for a less than comfortable life. I knew even at a young age that I could never habituate myself to the establishment world so the work of preparing myself for this world seemed unnecessary.

A high IQ can make you slightly more valuable to those who wish to profit from your abilities, but it also can tie you to employment associations that are less than pleasant. Just like a slave in a slave market might be put out front because of his size or muscles, it is only because he is going to be put to difficult work.

[SoulRiser]

I don't even know what my IQ number is. Never had it tested.

[brainiac3397]

I was told my IQ would be test, or a test for my IQ would be given(however you might say it). Never happened.

[CivikDamascus]

what happened to all the posts here, they disappeared

[Ky]

(02-12-2014 07:52 AM)CivikDamascus Wrote:  what happened to all the posts here, they disappeared

You made two threads

[Gwedin]

(02-12-2014 04:09 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I don't even know what my IQ number is. Never had it tested.

This. Never saw the point in it.

[brainiac3397]

The point is the ones with big numbers get used, and the ones with low numbers get abused.

[Ky]

I think the two threads need to be merged.

[James Comey]

Yep.

I'm not too fond of the IQ tests myself. Intelligence is far too vague to be measured completely accurately. There are definitely ways, sure, but I feel IQ tests aren't very accurate (well, some of them, at least), and just one isn't great either.

[LightAbyssion]

Here's something about IQ and convergent/divergent thinking:

Quote:Psychologists have found that a high IQ alone does not guarantee creativity. Instead, personality traits that promote divergent thinking are more important. Divergent thinking is found among people with personality traits such as nonconformity, curiosity, willingness to take risks, and persistence.

Maybe there are some with high IQ that hate school, but all the kids I knew who bragged about it were boring and narrow-minded. They had high grades, high IQ, obsessed with numbers, but they were all obedient and unoriginal. Just my anecdote. I never bothered finding my score. I'd rather let people judge me on what I say and do.

[brainiac3397]

Mensa FTW

The legit way to arrogantly shove your IQ into peoples eyes since 1946!

[James Comey]

They were pretty much part of the conformed bunch I'd imagine.

[Potato]

Quote:IQ tests can measure intellectual capability, but only within a broad range as a person can score +/- 20 points on different days.

i'm going to quote this again. "For modern tests, the standard error of measurement is about three points, or in other words, the odds are about two out of three that a person's true IQ is in range from three points above to three points below the test IQ." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenc...d_validity and i've taken this same iq test twice over the period of over a year, and my score changed by three points. try for yourself http://iqtest.dk/main.swf see if you get "+/- 20 on different days"

Quote:I took an IQ test in school and decided that I would answer the questions randomly. As there were four possible answers to each question, I assumed I would get close to a 25.

that's because you don't have a clue how iq tests are scored, 100 is the average. "IQ scales are ordinally scaled. While one standard deviation is 15 points, and two SDs are 30 points, and so on, this does not imply that mental ability is linearly related to IQ, such that IQ 50 means half the cognitive ability of IQ 100. In particular, IQ points are not percentage points." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

Quote:A high IQ can make you slightly more valuable to those who wish to profit from your abilities, but it also can tie you to employment associations that are less than pleasant. Just like a slave in a slave market might be put out front because of his size or muscles, it is only because he is going to be put to difficult work.

people today get paid (outside of school) based on the rarity of their abilities unlike slaves

Quote:Psychologists have found that a high IQ alone does not guarantee creativity. Instead, personality traits that promote divergent thinking are more important. Divergent thinking is found among people with personality traits such as nonconformity, curiosity, willingness to take risks, and persistence.

lol how did these psychologists measure "nonconformity, curiosity, willingness to take risks, and persistence"?

Quote:Maybe there are some with high IQ that hate school, but all the kids I knew who bragged about it were boring and narrow-minded. They had high grades, high IQ, obsessed with numbers, but they were all obedient and unoriginal. Just my anecdote.

are you implying that higher iq correlates to greater tendency for subordination and unoriginality; while lower iq correlates to greater rebelliousness and creativity? are you fuqing kidding me lmao

Quote:Mensa FTW

The legit way to arrogantly shove your IQ into peoples eyes since 1946!

op has an iq of 148, bow before the glory of his superior intelligence