Prince Darkstar: WARNING! Long post. This topic is a combination of multiple anti-school articles
You're daydreaming, wishing you were at home, doing something that was actually interesting, when suddenly your math teacher asks you what the square root of 2.8897687 is.
School is torture - because forced education sucks
If you hate being forced to go to school, you've come to the right topic.
If you hate being forced to go to school, you're not alone.
Every Mon-Fri, millions of kids across the US are slapped into pointless uniforms, marched into school buildings made to look like jails, lectured to total boredom, forced to write until their hands fall off, bullied to death (sometimes), and go home every Friday gasping TGIF. 9 months a year, 5 days a week, 10 hours a day (for me, at least).
If you expose your hatred of school, the teachers or adults will be quick to label you as "troubled" or "defiant" or diagnose you with a ton of disorders.
There is nothing wrong with hating school, there is nothing wrong with hating being forced to go to someplace you don't want to and be "taught" things that would kill you if boredom were lethal.
You're not worthless if you don't get good grades, & you're not mentally ill if the thought of school scares you.
But kids need an education...
Well, being bored is hardly a way to learn anything! School isn't about learning, it's about training people to be obedient to those with authority over them.
They say school is a right. Well, I call bull. Rights can be refused if you want to. There are 2 words here: Right and obligation. Let's define them.
Right: A basic freedom required given to a person but can easily be turned down
Obligation: Something by which a person is bound or obliged to do certain things, and arises out of a sense of duty or results from custom, law, etc.
What would school be classified as?
Obligation, of course.
The way it is now, school is slavery. Forced, unpaid, pointless work. So far, I have been forced to throw away 10 1/2 years of my life because the morons running the government are acting like I'm a number that wants to be sentenced to 12 years of boredom and torture.
And theeeeen, we have our greaaaaaaaat president Barack Obama who wants to step in. His plan was to make it longer. 10 1/2 months a year, 7 days a week, and 14 HOURS A DAY FOR ME. I'm surprised he hasn't been murdered yet! If this plan ever goes into effect, I'd better start being paid! I'm not going to stay in school that long for free!
So in the end, if you had to pick school or jail, pick jail. You'd have more fun in jail than you would at school.
-Prince Darkstar
Maxwell: Ugh I can relate so damn much to this! I can't stand school anymore! Especially Geometry! I mean, when will knowing what the proof for CPCTC, AAS, SSS, AAS? GRR! I am so sick of it!
Michaelmn: I agree with you Prince darkstar Obama is planing to make School Longer and my Comment: THE STUPIDEST IDEA EVER
Jelly: Well Mister Darkstar, you're not gonna like what I have to say about this then
I got my major in education, meaning I'm gonna be a teacher, hehe, funny right? I'm paying to stay IN school..but..how old are you? no more than 12 or 13 I'll assume..when you're out of high school and desperate looking for a job, you'll see why school is so important. And not just the basic "need school to get a job" mumbo jumbo, but there are tons of things I wouldn't have known if it weren't because school (I feel obligated to put "duh" here)
I know what you mean about being bored to death, but I know teachers that do try to make their lessons as interesting as possible (God, I hope I'll be able to be one of those teachers) and yeah, you may feel you're being forced to it, but hate to be all Mother Jelly here, but it's for your own good, and if you try to see how enriching it is to learn new things, then it won't be so much as a drag anymore...it's like when you watch documentaries in Discovery Channel..you're learning there, you know... try to see that in school as well.
And it's a right because, well..shouldn't everyone have the right to become smarter and build up their path to become better adults? No, it's not a guarantee that once you go to school, you'll have a right future, but your chances definitely increase.
So, my advice is to try to see the positive side of it, and take it from someone that is much older than you and yes, hated to go to school too, but once you grow up, you think "yahh..maybe I was wrong and this does pay off at the end" k?
E.V.I.L:
Prince Darkstar, on 02 November 2012 - 05:29 PM Wrote:WARNING! Long post. This topic is a combination of multiple anti-school articles
You're daydreaming, wishing you were at home, doing something that was actually interesting, when suddenly your math teacher asks you what the square root of 2.8897687 is.
1) I've never been asked to do something stupid like that 2) Calculators FTW 3) If your teachers are ACTUALLY making you do problems like that, they need to stop. That is stuff that really will not help you in life.
School is torture - because forced education sucks
If you hate being forced to go to school, you've come to the right topic.
If you hate being forced to go to school, you're not alone.
It's true you aren't forced to go to work, but the cost of that is living on the streets. Do you want to work at McDonalds? Oh wait, that's right, I need to graduate from High School for that.
Every Mon-Fri, millions of kids across the US are slapped into pointless uniforms, I myself do not agree with uniforms! marched into school buildings made to look like jails, lectured to total boredom, forced to write until their hands fall off, I agree there should be way more hands on activity bullied to death (sometimes), This is sad indeed. and go home every Friday gasping TGIF. 9 months a year, 5 days a week, 10 hours a day (for me, at least).So do people who work for a living, except it is 12 months a year.
If you expose your hatred of school, the teachers or adults will be quick to label you as "troubled" or "defiant" or diagnose you with a ton of disorders. This, I agree with you 100%. I can't stand it when adults tell me I HAVE to like school, like seriously? Maybe in the future I'll like work more, who knows.? Also, mental diseases are VERY OVER DIAGNOSED in my opinion, very few people who I see that are diagnosed with things like ADHD, ODD, and ADD truly need that help. It absolutely bugs me when these kids get extra time on tests on crap because of overdiagnosed mental disease. people who TRULY have this disease, I respect you and do not mean to offend you.
There is nothing wrong with hating school, there is nothing wrong with being forced to go to someplace you don't want to and be "taught" things that would kill you if boredom were lethal. Agreed.
You're not worthless if you don't get good grades, & you're not mentally ill if the thought of school scares you. Agreed once again
But kids need an education... agreed
Well, being bored is hardly a way to learn anything! School isn't about learning, it's about training people to be obedient to those with authority over them. That's a big problem with America's current education, school is becoming less about learning and more about effort and stuff like that. I believe there should be more hands-on, not just vocabulary lists.
They say school is a right. Well, I call bull. Rights can be refused if you want to. There are 2 words here: Right and obligation. Let's define them.
Right: A basic freedom required given to a person but can easily be turned down
Obligation: Something by which a person is bound or obliged to do certain things, and arises out of a sense of duty or results from custom, law, etc.
What would school be classified as?
Obligation, of course. This statement especially pisses me off. DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE STORY IN PAKISTAN WHERE THE GIRL GOT SHOT FOR WANTING AN EDUCATION?!?! No offense, but are the writers of this article that selfish? You can not have a job without high school graduation, or a job to put food on your plate. So many kids would do ANYTHING for an education. I really truly wish you would realize that before saying extremely stupid shit like this.
The way it is now, school is slavery. Forced, unpaid, pointless work.SLAVERY?! Lawl, you need to learn what slavery is, school and the workforce are FAR from slavery. FAR. Yeah, it's unpaid to teach you how to get a job so you can get paid. You aren't just going to work at McDOnalds the minute you are born.
So far, I have been forced to throw away 10 1/2 years of my life because the morons running the government are acting like I'm a number that wants to be sentenced to 12 years of boredom and torture.
People in school and even the workplace have lots of time for themselves. You don't need 24 hours everyday to rant about stupid crap like this on the internet.
And theeeeen, we have our greaaaaaaaat president Barack Obama who wants to step in. His plan was to make it longer. 10 1/2 months a year, 7 days a week, and 14 HOURS A DAY FOR ME. I'm surprised he hasn't been murdered yet! If this plan ever goes into effect, I'd better start being paid! I'm not going to stay in school that long for free!
Okay, I'll agree with you on this. This is ridiculous, and a school student should get weekends off, as adults in the workforce do too.
So in the end, if you had to pick school or jail, pick jail. You'd have more fun in jail than you would at school.
Yes, because having mental breakdowns in a place where you can't talk to anyone for help is so much fun.
-Prince Darkstar
In the quoted post, I will post my response to every point.
Mr. Dr. Professor Patrick: Believe it or not, America has one of the easiest curriculums. I can see why Obama wants to make school longer: simply, people like you don't care about school, and they don't even try.
School is actually really important. Yeah, I can see where you're saying that Geometry will never help you in life, but it's learning how to use critical thinking that actually helps. I don't know how many times I've heard people say that employers look for critical thinking, and most people don't even put that on their resumes. Math is one of the easiest ways to learn how to use critical thinking. Social studies trains you to retain information. Science, like math, helps you with critical thinking. The fine arts helps you with being able to express yourself and tap into originality. All of this helps you become a better person and a better candidate for a job.
Now think of it this way: other countries in the world are far smarter than Americans are. Why? They actually try in school. Asians are the best at this because their society and how society looks upon you, as a student, entirely depends on your class rank. There's a ton of pressure on you if you start failing. That's mainly why you see a lot of Asians really high on the corporate ladder: they've trained themselves their entire lives in building up their critical thinking, information retainment, and originality. It only makes sense that they'd be that high in position!
I'm not ranting to say that you're stupid, but you could be a little more open minded about school...
ClassicNickelodeon Fan 1: Actually, I have to agree with the side who isn't hating going to school(Jelly, MS, JCM, MDPP, etc.) I know that school can sometimes feel like torture.(Believe me, I hate it sometimes) And sometime I think some of this will never help me. But all in all, it will eventually pay off and I'll get a nice job somewhere, and make money, etc. If I didn't go to school, I wouldn't be here right now typing this. In fact, NONE OF US would be here without it. We would have never created this site because we wouldn't have known how to make it, since it involves reading and typing(or in other words, writing.) So, school eventually pays off. It helped us read and write, and it will eventually help you get a job and be able to support a family, etc. All in all, I suggest to just look at the positives of school, instead of the negatives, and actually try to pay attention. Hey, you might learn something that could interest you.
Mr. Dr. Professor Patrick:
ClassicNickelodeon Fan 1, on 03 November 2012 - 09:26 AM Wrote:We would have never created this site because we wouldn't have known how to make it, since it involves reading and typing(or in other words, writing.)
You're actually very spot-on with this. PHP requires a great deal of math and logic. If I didn't know how to say "If post count is over 2,000, show this picture", then Badges would have never been released. I would have never made it. Other features would have never came as well. I also self-taught myself website coding, so none of my classes in grade school ever helped me with PHP directly; however, the knowledge I learned with math actually helped a lot with my development as a website designer.
Mr. Dr. Professor Patrick (later post):
Prince Darkstar, on 04 November 2012 - 10:43 PM Wrote:I wrote the jail part, but here's the other one
http://www.school-su..._is_slavery.php
Also, here's a long post about the subject by a psychologist
http://www.school-su...hool_phobic.php
Your second link isn't about schools directly. You misinterpreted the article. The article was originally for the "Taking Children Seriously" movement, which involves Sarah Fitz-Claridge; the movement is about the struggles between adults and children, and how families can live together without having one person getting what they want and the other suffers (e.g. a parent telling a kid to clean up a room or they're grounded). The context of the article wasn't talking about children going to school and their torture, but rather the parents forcing their children going to school when they don't want to.
"Children whose parents would neither dream of forcing them to go to school nor of preventing them from going, and who support their children in anything they want to do, and who do not allow themselves to be drawn by the school system into a conspiracy against their children, have a very different experience of school if they do choose to go."
Also, the website you linked is actually a support site for students who hate school. It never actually says anything about forced education, but rather it's a website to help you cope with having to go to school. Look at this quote:
FAQ - School-Survival.net Wrote:But you NEED an education! How can you say education isn't important?!?!
Hold it right there. You said "education". This site is against compulsory school, not education. Education is definitely a good thing, but do you honestly believe school is the only place on earth where a person can become "educated"? Or that school actually provides a decent education in the first place? How much of the stuff you learned in school do you remember right now? How long after you wrote your last exam did you forget most of the material?
If you say that forced education is bad, then you're wrong. Education is a good thing. If you wanted to talk about the laws that force you to be in school, then that's a different subject. Otherwise, your argument doesn't make sense.
Honestly, I think you've been misguided.