Religion

[Godzillaman]

(11-03-2012 10:36 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  

Quote:I. GAVE. YOU. PROOF!

A bunch of whiny half-ramblings that already been disproved doesn't count as proof. Please show where god is.

Quote:You exist, do you not?

Still not proof. Abiogenesis, evolution, and 2 highschool fuckers made me who I am today.

Fine! Disprove God all you want, but he exists. So please, stop trying to disprove your own creator.

[Sociopath]

(11-03-2012 11:14 AM)Godzillaman Wrote:  

(11-03-2012 10:36 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  

Quote:I. GAVE. YOU. PROOF!

A bunch of whiny half-ramblings that already been disproved doesn't count as proof. Please show where god is.

Quote:You exist, do you not?

Still not proof. Abiogenesis, evolution, and 2 highschool fuckers made me who I am today.

Fine! Disprove God all you want, but he exists. So please, stop trying to disprove your own creator.

Clearly you mustn't see the humorous irony is what you've just said.

But seriously, if you have no real evidence, why should I believe you? Your assertion of god exists is no different than the assertion of greek gods, roman gods, egyptian gods, the flying spaghetti monster, or the native american tribals religion that all of life and matter was created by ant shit. No seriously.

[AtheistLGBTQAnarchist]

God made a God(aka Jesus) even though he said "No God shall come before me", planned for that part of God to get hanged, have that God die for our sins so God can defeat the Devil and keep us alive, make that God come back from the dead, and also the main God does side things like kill the ones he created because he created them with sin even though he's know as a perfect loving God that manipulates the billions of mini mini gods known as humans that are allowed to kill each other as tiny parts of God which means God is killing himself which is suicide which means God even has sin which mean the Devil has won anyway, and this has to be the longest sentence ever so I guess I'm going back to my mini mini God duties.

[Ky]

^ If you said that to a Christian in real life, they'd either look upon you with confusion, relentlessly correct you, or slap you in the face. Mostly the third one.

[Miller0700]

(11-03-2012 11:14 AM)Godzillaman Wrote:  Fine! Disprove God all you want, but he exists. So please, stop trying to disprove your own creator.

*facepalm*

[AtheistLGBTQAnarchist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLE...el&list=UL and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLkQnCur...el&list=UL

[SoulRiser]

Yay, pointless arguing! Let people believe whatever the hell they want.

[Ky]

(11-04-2012 01:40 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  

Yay, pointless arguing! Let people believe whatever the hell they want.

Where the heck did you get the popcorn? Can I have some?

[AtheistLGBTQAnarchist]

Eat yo chicken! Get yo melons too with yo tall self ya'll!

[Godzillaman]

You know what, I'm done with y'all! God exists! End of story!

[Miller0700]

Prove it.

[Miller0700]

(11-04-2012 01:40 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  

Yay, pointless arguing! Let people believe whatever the hell they want.

But the trival pointless arguing is what makes it all fun.

[Ky]

(11-04-2012 07:58 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Prove it.

Disprove it.

[SoulRiser]

OK. God exists and also doesn't exist at the same time. He's God, and therefore does not need to follow logic and whatnot.

/thread

* SoulRiser shares popcorn.

[Miller0700]

(11-04-2012 08:10 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(11-04-2012 07:58 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Prove it.

Disprove it.

Kinda impossible to prove a negative there, isn't it?

[AtheistLGBTQAnarchist]

Should I start ranting on Noa's Ark logic or that God made the Earth 6000 years ago "just for us" logic? It seems it's official this is a God or no God thread.

[GreenLamp]

Why would God create beings that doubt his own existence?

[Ky]

(11-05-2012 04:11 AM)GreenLamp Wrote:  Why would God create beings that doubt his own existence?

An unfortunate and predictable side effect of free will.

[GreenLamp]

(11-05-2012 04:25 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 04:11 AM)GreenLamp Wrote:  Why would God create beings that doubt his own existence?

An unfortunate and predictable side effect of free will.

God doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe we are all just pets. The Earth is like a high-tech fish bowl, with its own ecosystems. We could just be an experiment, a test to see how long we survive in this artificial world. Our owners choose organisms that live, discard the species that perish. We could be really tiny and not know it. What seems like endless space could be really very little. Like a germ in an aquarium.

We think we know so much, but in reality there could be a whole nother dimension we are not even aware of.

[Miller0700]

(11-05-2012 04:25 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 04:11 AM)GreenLamp Wrote:  Why would God create beings that doubt his own existence?

An unfortunate and predictable side effect of free will.

Funny. It seems that god threatens and often punishes people who don't believe in his existence...

[Ky]

(11-05-2012 08:29 AM)Derchin Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 04:25 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 04:11 AM)GreenLamp Wrote:  Why would God create beings that doubt his own existence?

An unfortunate and predictable side effect of free will.

Funny. It seems that god threatens and often punishes people who don't believe in his existence...

God doesn't threaten them, but some of His followers do.

The idea of Christianity is not that non-believers go to hell for all eternity (technically, that isn't even accurate, according to Revelations). God doesn't strike down satirists that use his name "in vain" with a bolt of lightning or whatever. He's totally benevolent - He even gave the choice as to whether to believe in Him or not, and a whole lot of other choices that build up to free will. Those who willingly choose to follow Him, even though He has marked the "EXIT" sign very, very clearly, reap the biggest benefits.

[LOON_ATTIC]

(11-05-2012 09:09 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:29 AM)Derchin Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 04:25 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 04:11 AM)GreenLamp Wrote:  Why would God create beings that doubt his own existence?

An unfortunate and predictable side effect of free will.

Funny. It seems that god threatens and often punishes people who don't believe in his existence...

God doesn't threaten them, but some of His followers do.

The idea of Christianity is not that non-believers go to hell for all eternity (technically, that isn't even accurate, according to Revelations). God doesn't strike down satirists that use his name "in vain" with a bolt of lightning or whatever. He's totally benevolent - He even gave the choice as to whether to believe in Him or not, and a whole lot of other choices that build up to free will. Those who willingly choose to follow Him, even though He has marked the "EXIT" sign very, very clearly, reap the biggest benefits.

Cool story brother.
Seriously. It just looks like you made all of that up because it seems the nicest to you. Most Christians will say something else.

[Ky]

^ Most Christians don't walk in love. That is their fatal flaw.

[GreenLamp]

If I could get one solid proof of God, I would believe. I want to believe, but it feels false when I'm not entirely sure. I also don't want to believe just because it feels safe. I just want to know what's true.

[Ky]

^ There is no "solid" proof that I am aware of, but you have nothing to lose by opening up to Him.

[Miller0700]

I would open up to him if I can actually know he exists.

[Sociopath]

Quote:Yay, pointless arguing!

arguing is good. It propels us forward and sharpens the mind.

Quote:You know what, I'm done with y'all! God exists! End of story!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion

Quote:Disprove it.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

Quote:OK. God exists and also doesn't exist at the same time. He's God, and therefore does not need to follow logic and whatnot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdity

This is a fire that will just have to burn, soul. You can't put out every fire, and you can't be friends with everyone.

Quote:God doesn't threaten them

You're right, god doesn't threaten anyone. Threatening is a time-waster, instead, he goes right into killing them off.

Quote:The idea of Christianity is not that non-believers go to hell for all eternity

SILENCE, BLASPHEMER!

John 3:18 - "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

Quote:(technically, that isn't even accurate, according to Revelations)

Where in revelations does it say non-believers won't burn for all eternity?

Quote:God doesn't strike down satirists that use his name "in vain" with a bolt of lightning or whatever.

Lightning is overrated. Examples of god's love:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of...ing_people

Quote:He's totally benevolent

2 Kings 2:23-24 - "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare (KILLED) forty and two (Forty two) children of them."

Killing prepubescents is AWWWWRIGHT...actually, wait...No. NO, ITS NOT ALRIGHT!

Quote:He even gave the choice as to whether to believe in Him or not, and a whole lot of other choices that build up to free will.

Free will does not exist according to the bible;

Jeremiah 10:23
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Acts 13:48
And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Rom.8:29-30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Rom.9:11-22
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. .... For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? ... Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.

Eph.1:4-5
He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

2 Th.2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.

2 Tim.1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.

Jude 4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.

(I don't believe in free will, but mine's a philosophical philosophy, not a religious belief. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_determinism )

Quote:I would open up to him if I can actually know he exists.

Richter Belmont: Die, monster! You don't belong in this world!

Vlad Tepes Dracula: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh! I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute!

Richter: Tribute? You steal men's souls, and make them your slaves!

Dracula: I suppose the same could be said of all religions...

Richter: Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!

Dracula: What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk... Have at you!

[IamNoone]

Not exactly related, but do you think, sociopath, people that dream of extraordinarily detailed things that happened to another person, like people whoreme,ber things from other people's life that they could not possibly know of, can be soley to confirmation bias and coincidence?

[Sociopath]

(11-05-2012 01:46 PM)IamNoone Wrote:  Not exactly related, but do you think, sociopath, people that dream of extraordinarily detailed things that happened to another person, like people whoreme,ber things from other people's life that they could not possibly know of, can be soley to confirmation bias and coincidence?

Its unlikely as ever to even be the real thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases

If it is, there's no way we can be sure of or not if they're lying, unless it was call-for-call, and even then we're not sure: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Negative_proof

If there's even somewhat of it being true, its most likely exaggerated unless there's a long list of them calling it "for real" and even then, we cannot be so sure: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Selective_reporting

On the unlikely chance it *is* call-for-call, it makes no difference. It's most likely just due to pure luck: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Improbable_things_happen


So in actuality, unless I have have clear-cut empirical evidence, the answer is, quite simply, Yes, all due to bias and/or coincidence.

...you're not going all religious/psuedoscientific on me, are you?

[Ky]

(11-05-2012 01:39 PM)Sociopath Wrote:  

Quote:God doesn't threaten them

You're right, god doesn't threaten anyone. Threatening is a time-waster, instead, he goes right into killing them off.

Why would He be concerned with wasting time? All of it's His, anyway.

(11-05-2012 01:39 PM)Sociopath Wrote:  

Quote:The idea of Christianity is not that non-believers go to hell for all eternity

SILENCE, BLASPHEMER!

John 3:18 - "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

I'm saying that isn't the idea. God's more of an insurance plan in this respect - invest in Him, and the devil doesn't take your soul when you die. Now with Heaven for your added convenience and comfort.

The idea of Christianity, though, is to spread the Good Word. God decided that He and mankind should not be apart, so He sent His Son to save our skins. Even those who don't believe are offered a better chance at not burning in a fiery inferno for all eternity. More on that later. Anyway, to best spread the Word, Christians must walk in love, peaceably attracting others to the cause. (This principle appears to be lost on most churches today.)

(11-05-2012 01:39 PM)Sociopath Wrote:  

Quote:(technically, that isn't even accurate, according to Revelations)

Where in revelations does it say non-believers won't burn for all eternity?

Ever heard of Judgement? (I believe this was explained in books ranging from Matthew to Revelations) That's what non-believers have to go through at the end of times in order to get into Heaven anyway. 144,000 (12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel) are already guaranteed a spot (Revelations 7), and even more than that are capable of repenting even after the rapture.

...Hang on, more responses later...