My reply to my thoughts on hitting women.

[..V..]

A teacher asked us that, so I created this reply;

"To start off, I would never hit a female, but I do not entirely think it is fair that people say it is so ‘wrong’. Yes, I do believe it is wrong to hit a female, but you must view this at a different perspective. Human beings are just another species of animal, and in the animal kingdom females and males will have abusiveness going on because they can not comprehend the morals most human beings have set for themselves. If human beings are technically still animals, then why is it okay for other species to do it and not us? Because society has labeled us of being the ‘superior’ species. Therefore, we have to go along with their guidelines and morals. Look at Iraq for example, their religious morals say that it is okay to hit women, because that is what the believe. Who are we to deny another persons morals? If us Americans deny others of having different religion morals and beliefs, then aren’t we not going along with our own morals?"

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

If a girl hits me I will hit her. Equality isn't all "we get high paying jobs now weeeeeeeeee"

[HeartofShadows]

(05-22-2012 02:48 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  If a girl hits me I will hit her. Equality isn't all "we get high paying jobs now weeeeeeeeee"

This right here and if any white knights wanna be a hero I'll be glad to give them a taste of my gun.

[FarBeyondDriven]

(05-22-2012 03:04 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 02:48 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  If a girl hits me I will hit her. Equality isn't all "we get high paying jobs now weeeeeeeeee"

This right here and if any white knights wanna be a hero I'll be glad to give them a taste of my gun.

I kind of want to laugh at that .gif but then I also kind of want to tell you that you should nuke yourself for posting it...

My view is that, since men are typically stronger than women, or at least genetically designed to be, there's no point in hitting a woman -- not even if she's on the attack -- because there are other ways a guy can utilize such strength in defense, like pushing... even throwing.

Again, typically, women hit more, men hit harder... it all depends on the circumstance though. But for the most part I think men that hit women are illogical... there are other ways. If the female is bigger and more powerful, I don't really see the problem, you know... but eh, no. It really all depends. I just wouldn't call a guy who hits a woman in self-defense "cowardly". That's sexism. But to say all women can take that kind of hit is also. They can't.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

(05-22-2012 03:44 AM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 03:04 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 02:48 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  If a girl hits me I will hit her. Equality isn't all "we get high paying jobs now weeeeeeeeee"

This right here and if any white knights wanna be a hero I'll be glad to give them a taste of my gun.

I kind of want to laugh at that .gif but then I also kind of want to tell you that you should nuke yourself for posting it...

My view is that, since men are typically stronger than women, or at least genetically designed to be, there's no point in hitting a woman -- not even if she's on the attack -- because there are other ways a guy can utilize such strength in defense, like pushing... even throwing.

Again, typically, women hit more, men hit harder... it all depends on the circumstance though. But for the most part I think men that hit women are illogical... there are other ways. If the female is bigger and more powerful, I don't really see the problem, you know... but eh, no. It really all depends. I just wouldn't call a guy who hits a woman in self-defense "cowardly". That's sexism. But to say all women can take that kind of hit is also. They can't.

Then they should learn their fucking place. I don't go around fucking with MMA trained fighters, and then cry when they beat my face in. I've seen girls do some dumb ass shit at bars or clubs which deserved the punches they got. Sadly everyone then gets on the guys case because "come on bro she's a girl". Fuck that shit.

[HeartofShadows]

Usually I'm never serious in replies because you can never convince anybody truly or its a waste a time but I'll reply seriously.

Quote:I kind of want to laugh at that .gif but then I also kind of want to tell you that you should nuke yourself for posting it...

Why?
I posted an image of a woman trying to fight a guy and being shown true equality because of it.
not like I did the punch myself but its a bit funny you would be risen to anger because of it.. Shows that the chivalry code is deeply imbedded.

Quote:My view is that, since men are typically stronger than women, or at least genetically designed to be, there's no point in hitting a woman -- not even if she's on the attack -- because there are other ways a guy can utilize such strength in defense, like pushing... even throwing

Again, typically, women hit more, men hit harder... it all depends on the circumstance though. But for the most part I think men that hit women are illogical... there are other ways. If the female is bigger and more powerful, I don't really see the problem, you know... but eh, no. It really all depends. I just wouldn't call a guy who hits a woman in self-defense "cowardly". That's sexism. But to say all women can take that kind of hit is also. They can't.

I love this analogy.
When guys give me this I usually ask them if they have a family or if they are okay with beating children.
if they reply yes they are then I reply well children are weaker than adults so I think its wrong to hit them.
You're oversimplifying things.. When I was younger a woman tried to beat me with a bottle of glass and then kick me while I was on the ground before I threw sand in her eyes and kicked her on the ground.
Physical strength isn't everything and one advantage may render a man helpless against a woman easily(Uhhh kick in the balls?)

[Miller0700]

Aya in 3...2...

[HeartofShadows]

(05-22-2012 04:39 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Aya in 3...2...

Aya was raised in a tough woman up family so she could at least understand this. Least I hope so..

[Slutty Nun]

As a girl, I see no issue in self defense. If a woman is attacking you, you will fight back. If a man is attacking you, you will fight back. Gender should have nothing to do with when you can or can't hit somebody.

[Miller0700]

(05-22-2012 05:04 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 04:39 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Aya in 3...2...

Aya was raised in a tough woman up family so she could at least understand this. Least I hope so..

We shall see.

[Sharpie]

*waits for Aya to arrive to watch ensuing shitstorm*

[FarBeyondDriven]

(05-22-2012 03:58 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 03:44 AM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 03:04 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 02:48 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  If a girl hits me I will hit her. Equality isn't all "we get high paying jobs now weeeeeeeeee"

This right here and if any white knights wanna be a hero I'll be glad to give them a taste of my gun.

I kind of want to laugh at that .gif but then I also kind of want to tell you that you should nuke yourself for posting it...

My view is that, since men are typically stronger than women, or at least genetically designed to be, there's no point in hitting a woman -- not even if she's on the attack -- because there are other ways a guy can utilize such strength in defense, like pushing... even throwing.

Again, typically, women hit more, men hit harder... it all depends on the circumstance though. But for the most part I think men that hit women are illogical... there are other ways. If the female is bigger and more powerful, I don't really see the problem, you know... but eh, no. It really all depends. I just wouldn't call a guy who hits a woman in self-defense "cowardly". That's sexism. But to say all women can take that kind of hit is also. They can't.

Then they should learn their fucking place. I don't go around fucking with MMA trained fighters, and then cry when they beat my face in. I've seen girls do some dumb ass shit at bars or clubs which deserved the punches they got. Sadly everyone then gets on the guys case because "come on bro she's a girl". Fuck that shit.

That's so animalistic and immature. Why the fuck would an MMA fighter hit a girl in self-defense when instead they could quite easily tackle and or stop them from continuing their attack? Slap them real hard, whatever. Don't swing, no matter what, unless with the same force. This applies to women also. Idealistically, women and men both wouldn't be hit or hit each other. I'm not one of those people who thinks "come on bro' she's a girl". Fuck that shit indeed. My point is though that there are other ways to deal with such situations. It's your choice which one you pick.

Quote:I posted an image of a woman trying to fight a guy and being shown true equality because of it.

It's not as simple as that at all. There are so many differences between women and men; physically, mentally, etcetera. Equality is not used by most women in the standard of abuse. A man hitting another man is abuse. A man hitting a woman is abuse. A woman hitting another woman is abuse. A woman hitting another woman is abuse. Maybe it's idealistic of me, having hope enough in our species as to expect rational thought and decision concerning a situation, but idealistic doesn't equate untrue.

Quote:You're oversimplifying things.. When I was younger a woman tried to beat me with a bottle of glass and then kick me while I was on the ground before I threw sand in her eyes and kicked her on the ground.

If your health or life, even, were in serious danger, you could have stabbed the bitch for all I care. I'm talking in general terms, as aforementioned; about most cases in which a man hits a woman, and how, considering the circumstances, it is wrong. Same with women (i.e. vice versa) but it's different (and by "different" I don't mean any better or any worse). I'm also not talking about full-on beatings. I'm talking about examples such as the one shown in the .gif.

[Mælstrom]

Some women might be joking when they punch you, which generally means that they might like you. If they're assaulting me, then they'll get as much retaliation in self defense from me as the force they put into their attack.

[FarBeyondDriven]

(05-22-2012 05:11 AM)Melancholia Wrote:  Some woman might be joking when they punch you, which generally means that they might like you. If they're assaulting me, then they'll get as much retaliation in self defense from me as the force they put into their attack.

+1

EDIT: By the way, about the nuke thing; I would have said the same if the .gif depicted violence between one guy and another. I see no point for that kind of thing being posted here, but I know it will be, which is why I mentioned my temptation to laugh at it. If I were some strict, high-horsing, pro-censorship douche who is, do you really think I'd be on this forum? I'm used to hitting and such being portrayed in a way that's funny, so it doesn't really bother me.

[HeartofShadows]

(05-22-2012 05:06 AM)Derchin Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 05:04 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 04:39 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Aya in 3...2...

Aya was raised in a tough woman up family so she could at least understand this. Least I hope so..

We shall see.

She better considering all the times she tells people in voices in my head threads and rant threads to take responsibility for their own actions.

[HeartofShadows]

Quote:It's not as simple as that at all. There are so many differences between women and men; physically, mentally, etcetera. Equality is not used by most women in the standard of abuse. A man hitting another man is abuse. A man hitting a woman is abuse. A woman hitting another woman is abuse. A woman hitting another woman is abuse. Maybe it's idealistic of me, having hope enough in our species as to expect rational thought and decision concerning a situation, but idealistic doesn't equate untrue.

Wow that was an insult to women bro if you're saying that women are not up to our level so to speak. Mostly I agree that it would be nice if the world worked on common sense and didn't hit each other but that these days is to much to expect.
Pacifism only works when both sides are pacifists.

Quote:If your health or life, even, were in serious danger, you could have stabbed the bitch for all I care. I'm talking in general terms, as aforementioned; about most cases in which a man hits a woman, and how, considering the circumstances, it is wrong. Same with women (i.e. vice versa) but it's different (and by "different" I don't mean any better or any worse). I'm also not talking about full-on beatings. I'm talking about examples such as the one shown in the .gif.

Wrong is as usual subjective and you didn't prove me wrong.
We could say anybody hitting anybody is wrong and when the woman hits the man first she is wrong.. Not much better.
I remember I posted a story on SS where this Russian lady had a mug attempt by some guy in her beauty shop after hours and since she was a black belt she beat his ass, took him to her back shop and raped him for 3 days on and off while force feeding him Viagra pills.
Women can be strong too if they don't play victim all day sides in the gif the woman was in the mans face.
She was backing away and her stance was aggressive.

[HeartofShadows]

[gore goroth]

(05-22-2012 05:11 AM)Cydonia Wrote:  Some women might be joking when they punch you, which generally means that they might like you. If they're assaulting me, then they'll get as much retaliation in self defense from me as the force they put into their attack.

This^^^

Ive never been in a situation where a female really assaulted me. Girls may do the above but it's never serious and its somewhat playful like what bros do, it doesn't bother me. Only retaliate when you know 100% that she is just plain attacking you.

[gore goroth]

Quote:When I was younger a woman tried to beat me with a bottle of glass and then kick me while I was on the ground before I threw sand in her eyes and kicked her on the ground.

Ohhh, what happened, do tell.

[HeartofShadows]

(05-22-2012 05:57 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  

Quote:When I was younger a woman tried to beat me with a bottle of glass and then kick me while I was on the ground before I threw sand in her eyes and kicked her on the ground.

Ohhh, what happened, do tell.

my family is black and my dads side of the family are ghetto trash and they hang around ghetto trash people.
I was 19 at the time and living in dallas most of my family and their friends did tough men get togethers at the car wash in south dallas where we would have fights for money(people could bet on fights and fighters could put in money and if they won could keep all of that and usually the fights were 1 on 1 so it was a small pot for us plus you get a little something from the bets).
the fights usually go on until somebody can't stand up anymore or gives up and I beat this ladies boyfriend up and took his money and when she got there she tried to get it back and attacked me from behind. fucking crazy bitch..

Cydonia: now I don't mind that.
though most women don't do that.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

You totally misread what I said and I am not going to explain it for you. Some bitch hits me in the face she is getting hit right back in the face.

[FarBeyondDriven]

(05-22-2012 05:48 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

Quote:It's not as simple as that at all. There are so many differences between women and men; physically, mentally, etcetera. Equality is not used by most women in the standard of abuse. A man hitting another man is abuse. A man hitting a woman is abuse. A woman hitting another woman is abuse. A woman hitting another woman is abuse. Maybe it's idealistic of me, having hope enough in our species as to expect rational thought and decision concerning a situation, but idealistic doesn't equate untrue.

Wow that was an insult to women bro if you're saying that women are not up to our level so to speak. Mostly I agree that it would be nice if the world worked on common sense and didn't hit each other but that these days is to much to expect.
Pacifism only works when both sides are pacifists.

Quote:If your health or life, even, were in serious danger, you could have stabbed the bitch for all I care. I'm talking in general terms, as aforementioned; about most cases in which a man hits a woman, and how, considering the circumstances, it is wrong. Same with women (i.e. vice versa) but it's different (and by "different" I don't mean any better or any worse). I'm also not talking about full-on beatings. I'm talking about examples such as the one shown in the .gif.

Wrong is as usual subjective and you didn't prove me wrong.
We could say anybody hitting anybody is wrong and when the woman hits the man first she is wrong.. Not much better.
I remember I posted a story on SS where this Russian lady had a mug attempt by some guy in her beauty shop after hours and since she was a black belt she beat his ass, took him to her back shop and raped him for 3 days on and off while force feeding him Viagra pills.
Women can be strong too if they don't play victim all day sides in the gif the woman was in the mans face.
She was backing away and her stance was aggressive.

All true, except morality is a spectrum of light and darkness, good and bad, and while some view darkness as light and good as bad, them doing so doesn't change the fact that some things are scientifically proven to create negative physical effects, negative mental effects and negative energy. Again, negative can be viewed as positive but technically negative is negative. I know it's not as simple as that, but hopefully you'll see my point. It's all about perspective. Too many in the world to expect peace and no violence, exactly.

Quote:Wow that was an insult to women bro if you're saying that women are not up to our level so to speak.

I don't understand how you got this from what I wrote, but I didn't mean anything as such.

[FarBeyondDriven]

(05-22-2012 06:15 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  You totally misread what I said and I am not going to explain it for you. Some bitch hits me in the face she is getting hit right back in the face.

I didn't misread what you said. I think you misunderstand what I meant by my talk of MMA fighters. I know you didn't state that a trained professional should hit a women who is attacking them. You said that you'd understand why one would, as it's only fair... didn't you? This is what I was addressing -- the latter, explaining why I would not understand.

By the way HoS, those pictures are creepy. Do you know the back story?

[HeartofShadows]

Quote: I know it's not as simple as that, but hopefully you'll see my point. It's all about perspective.

I agree..

Quote:I don't understand how you got this from what I wrote, but I didn't mean anything as such.

I thought by what you were saying that women were weaker than us in a multitude of ways despite them being adults(Like intelligence and all that) and because of that we must treat them like children.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Quote:I thought by what you were saying that women were weaker than us in a multitude of ways despite them being adults(Like intelligence and all that) and because of that we must treat them like children.

I see. No, what I meant was that women, for example, have periods, whereas men do not. Those kind of differences; emotional, how a guy deals with something and then how a girl deals with something and the differences... physical; genetic dispositions to muscular build, hormones... blah, blah... this all due to genetics and sex/gender. I treat situations with the mindset that everyone is an individual. I don't group males as being all strong nor females as being all weaker, because I know that's not how it works.

[thewake]

You should only hit your wife, and then only with a stick that is no more than 2 1/2 inches wide.

[iloveyouall]

Everyone should keep their hands to themselves. Hitting someone for merely being obnoxious, regardless of anyone's gender, is not okay. A life or death situation is, in my opinion, the only time to be physically violent.

[HeartofShadows]

(05-22-2012 09:25 AM)iloveyouall Wrote:  Everyone should keep their hands to themselves. Hitting someone for merely being obnoxious, regardless of anyone's gender, is not okay. A life or death situation is, in my opinion, the only time to be physically violent.

[iloveyouall]

(05-22-2012 09:32 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 09:25 AM)iloveyouall Wrote:  Everyone should keep their hands to themselves. Hitting someone for merely being obnoxious, regardless of anyone's gender, is not okay. A life or death situation is, in my opinion, the only time to be physically violent.

Pacifism goes hard.

[FarBeyondDriven]

(05-22-2012 09:32 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 09:25 AM)iloveyouall Wrote:  Everyone should keep their hands to themselves. Hitting someone for merely being obnoxious, regardless of anyone's gender, is not okay. A life or death situation is, in my opinion, the only time to be physically violent.

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