It astonishes me that people STILL think spanking is good.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

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Quote:To begin with, I feel it's most important to make it very clearly known to any and all concerned, that the debate on spanking within the scientific and academic communities is dead, and has been for a number of years now. The most substantial indicator of this development is evidenced by the fact that virtually every professional organization in the U.S. and Canada concerned with the care and treatment of children, has taken a public stance against the practice of spanking.

Based on the overwhelming accumulation of research conducted over the past 50+ years linking spanking to a number of risk factors, the professional consensus against this practice has grown to world-wide proportions...even to the extent that Sweden, Finland, Austria, Norway, Croatia, Denmark, Hungary, Israel, Cyprus, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Germany, Latvia, Iceland, Romania, Greece, New Zealand, Venezuela, Spain, Portugal, Chile, Uruguay, and Ukraine have legislated total bans on spanking.... with Italy, South Africa, Scotland, Canada, and Ireland apparently in the process of following suit. It should also be noted that every industrialized country in the world has banned spanking in schools. The evidence is in, and the evidence has found against the practice of spanking in a compellingly conclusive manner.

Just as one might find supportive views toward spanking being promoted (typically) on web sites sponsored by fundamentalist Christian sects, so can one find supportive views promoting Homophobia, Racism, Misogyny, and other 'hate group' propaganda. Because of the fact that the actual agendas of these sites are often deceptively disguised by organizational titles such as, 'Family Council', 'People's Choice', 'Rights and Freedoms', etc., people are forced to exercise a highly judicious discernment of the information being made available on the Internet. Some web surfers have had to learn the hard way that the Internet abounds with persuasive presentations of 'facts and figures' that can prove to represent nothing more than religious, political, or philosophical attempts to spread self-serving misinformation.

Having spent 30+ years examining/evaluating the research on this issue of spanking children, I am able to state with a high degree of confidence that there has never been a peer-reviewed study that has been able to establish the efficacy of spanking as a means of long-term behavior modification; as an effective teaching modality; as an effective punishment; or as a means of instilling self-discipline. Nor have there been published research findings in peer-reviewed professional journals that served to refute previous research. This previous research found spanking to be associated with a risk for undesirable emotional consequences; a risk for physical injury; a risk of counter-productive behavioral outcomes; a risk for the onset of dependence on external controls; and a proclivity toward authority-directed behavior. Moreover, there has never been research data produced finding that spanking carries no risk to the quality of the parent-child relationship (and I should add that conservative editorial reviews of previous research findings do not constitute actual research, as is sometimes claimed to be the case).

Nevertheless, there are some spankers who will find reasons to dismiss, ignore, or discount, the research findings of field conducted experimental studies related to the Social Sciences. Well, it's especially these folks that I'd like to address concerning alarming new research findings, which represent the most severe consequences of physical punishment yet discovered...while doing so in the form of documented scientific proof*.

These revelations have come through studies in brain research having provided CAT SCAN pictures showing an abnormal lack of brain development (within the portion of the brain responsible for emotional functioning) in children who had been subject to spankings as a punitive measure. For the sake of sample homogeneity, the researchers chose subjects for their study that had been categorized as 'abused' children. Common sense tells us that this does not eliminate the possibility of a lesser degree of brain damage occurring to spanked children who are subjected to a lesser degree of non-injurious violence. In other words, it would be ludicrous to assume that a child must first suffer bruises, cuts, or welts (or other injuries), before brain damage can take place as a result of the physical punishments. Rather, it is much more logical to deduce that acts of physical aggression toward young children can disrupt, or prevent, the optimal conditions necessary to facilitate a normal process of healthy brain development.

As far as I'm concerned, this new area of research (apparently not yet freely available on the Internet) represents the most compelling, undeniable reason that's yet been discovered to persuade parents to stop (or never start) striking their children as a punitive measure. And I hope any pro-spankers reading this feel the same way. It's difficult to imagine any parent who would be willing to treat their child in a way that might carry even a remote risk of causing a measure of brain damage to their child.

But, in spite of having said all of that, we actually shouldn't need research to end the practice of striking children any more than we needed research to end the practice of striking wives. As a society, there was no need for research findings to convince us of the harmful effects associated with the practice of wives being physically punished.

Instead, when society reached the point of being no longer willing to grant social tolerance to the tradition of husbands physically disciplining their wives, our decision to do so was based on our having progressed socially into the higher morality of a greater humanity. Perhaps, our next step ahead in forward progress should come by way of reaching a decision to begin recognizing children as also being deserving of those same protections against being struck.

No longer do we see any adult members of our society remaining outside the jurisdiction of the protective laws once enjoyed by only the more privileged and 'deserving' (namely white males who made the laws), regardless of race, gender, religion, ethnic group, or sexual orientation. None of our adult citizens remain legally unprotected from being violated through harassment, threats, defamation, discrimination, or being victimized by violence to any degree or form. So, given our heritage of bestowing a greater humanity upon those of a lower social status by welcoming them as our equals in the eyes of the law (in terms of violent treatment), would it be so out of character for us to also shelter the younger, weaker members of our society by allowing them to join those of us already sharing in the security and comfort of safety that's provided under the umbrella of legal protections from violence?

Bringing our little ones into the fold really doesn't seem all that magnanimous if we keep in mind that we've already been willing to share the shelter of our umbrella of Assault laws with even the most vicious of hardened adult criminals. After all, children are the very last segment of our shared human collective who still remain as fair game for being subjected to acts of physical aggression. We display a strange sense of priorities when we don't allow the prison guard to break-out a paddle and start whacking away on the disobedient buttocks of a sociopathic death-row inmate who kills for the rush it gives him, yet we find helpless, defenseless young children as deserving of such treatment.

Fact is, we define corporal punishments of prison inmates as 'Cruel and Unusual Punishment', 'Guard Brutality', or 'Aggravated Assault'. And, should the physical punishments be repeated as a routine punitive measure, such a treatment of prisoners would fall under the definition of 'Torture'.

Why would a murderous inmate be less subject to physical discipline than a helpless 3-year-old child?

Logically, morally, humanely, and scientifically, the debate on spanking is dead...save for those who would object to further social progress.

As we evolve as a society, we have to keep in mind that historically there was a time when it was acceptable to legally own other people; a time when the mentally ill were generally considered to be possessed by evil spirits; a time when men legally shot each other in officiated duels; a time when public hangings were attended as a family outing complete with picnic basket; a time when public floggings were considered acceptable punishment; a time when it was a gentleman's agreement that husbands should not beat their wives with a switch that was 'bigger-round than your thumb' (which later became known as 'the rule of thumb'); and there was a time when there were no laws against parents severely beating their children (killing children was unacceptable, of course, but an occasional accidental maiming as a result of disciplinary measures was tolerated).

Obviously, we no longer permit these punishments. The time has come for us to yet further our level of social sophistication by coming to a general agreement that any degree of physical punishment used against children is as socially unacceptable and repugnant as those past violent behaviors we have chosen to put behind us.

Here was the first response to this post (I bolded some telling comments):

Quote:And yet amazingly, despite your super evolved intellect and ingenious "new" view and insight into the inner mechanisms of the world that the rest of us ignorant savages don't have (probably because we are stupid enough to believe in God-ha ha what morons) the plain fact is that children are more rebellious and out of control than ever, because they fear NOTHING from adults.
I, as a professional educator, can throw up statistics, quotes, and impressive sounding terms much like you have to prove this point. But I am not debating you. You have already made up your mind that you have risen above the backwardness that surrounds and batters your sparkling wit and intellect. I simply show people that despite your open-minded opinion that "the debate is over" (not so intelligent and advanced a tactic, my friend, all well below your intellectually lofty position), the debate is in fact NOT over.
Now, you might be inclined (as per your genius) to deduce that I am one of those apish neanderthals who batters and mutilates my children by daring to pop them on the butt to get their attention. You are free to assume this, as you have already assumed much in your arrogant treatise above.

If you want to prove a point, do not attempt to make it in the heavy-handed and patronizing manner both of us have written above. No one listens to a jerk who just wants to sound smarter than everyone else.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

I'd like to point out that most adults who heavily support making children "obedient" see independence as a bad thing.

They see a kid, and then make some silly demand and when the kid refuses they think, "OMG look at how BAD kids are! It's because they aren't spanked!"

[SoulRiser]

Quote:the plain fact is that children are more rebellious and out of control than ever, because they fear NOTHING from adults

Poor guy. Still believes fear is the only way to get people to do stuff.

I think this is relevant as to why people defend spanking so much:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[Hannah-chan]

I fucking love spanking. Not in schools though.

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HAVE YOU BEEN A NAUGHTY BOY, SHIPPONY?

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Hannah-chan Wrote:I fucking love spanking. Not in schools though.

Well why not in schools? lol

Quote:HAVE YOU BEEN A NAUGHTY BOY, SHIPPONY?

lol everyday

[LOON_ATTIC]

Hannah-chan Wrote:I fucking love spanking. Not in schools though.

As in a fetish or something

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Lunatic Wrote:

Hannah-chan Wrote:I fucking love spanking. Not in schools though.

As in a fetish or something

I hope so.... giggity.

[Aya]

Watch on YouTube





Watch on YouTube

1st two minutes.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Ayliana Wrote:

Watch on YouTube





Watch on YouTube

1st two minutes.

The Carlos Mencia one is actually pretty sickening imo

[Aya]

Watch on YouTube

Do I look like Ryan's mom?

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Ayliana Wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Do I look like Ryan's mom?

That one is funny, I've seen it before lol

[Aya]

They're both funny because I've been in that situation before. I told my mom that if my step father ever hit me again I would call DCF. She handed me the phone and said "Go ahead bitch, but make sure you pack your bags 'cause I'm signing you over to foster care. You want to act like that then you can go live in a group home with 15 other kids and one bathroom."

I didn't call XD


Also: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

[sergeant]

My girlfriend does

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Your mom is a bitchwhore.

[Absnt]

Ayliana Wrote:They're both funny because I've been in that situation before. I told my mom that if my step father ever hit me again I would call DCF. She handed me the phone and said "Go ahead bitch, but make sure you pack your bags 'cause I'm signing you over to foster care. You want to act like that then you can go live in a group home with 15 other kids and one bathroom."

I didn't call XD


Also: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

I tried that shit too. Doesn't work at all... Still got my ass beat repeatedly until I was big enough that my parents were afraid to fuck with me. (My dad could still beat my ass, but he'd probably walk away with at least a few bumps and bruises lol.)

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Absentinsomniac Wrote:

Ayliana Wrote:They're both funny because I've been in that situation before. I told my mom that if my step father ever hit me again I would call DCF. She handed me the phone and said "Go ahead bitch, but make sure you pack your bags 'cause I'm signing you over to foster care. You want to act like that then you can go live in a group home with 15 other kids and one bathroom."

I didn't call XD


Also: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

I tried that shit too. Doesn't work at all... Still got my ass beat repeatedly until I was big enough that my parents were afraid to fuck with me. (My dad could still beat my ass, but he'd probably walk away with at least a few bumps and bruises lol.)

I never tried the DCF thing BUT I did call the cops on my dad once. My dad was flipping a shit and when the cop came my dad acted like nothing was wrong and said, "well you know kids do crazy things." the cop then told me I shouldn't call the cops for stuff like that. After he left my dad proceeded to freak the fuck out. lol

[Aya]

OMG you actually called the cops? Pussy!

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Ayliana demonstrating her empathy and tactfulness as usual

[Absnt]

Ayliana Wrote:OMG you actually called the cops? Pussy!

You mad because some kids go through with their threats brah?

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Absentinsomniac Wrote:

Ayliana Wrote:OMG you actually called the cops? Pussy!

You mad because some kids go through with their threats brah?

Exactly. Who is the bigger pussy the one who makes a threat and doesn't go through with it because mommy scared her or the one who went through with his threat regardless of his parents saying they'd kick me out of the house if he did?

[Aya]

UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:

Absentinsomniac Wrote:

Ayliana Wrote:OMG you actually called the cops? Pussy!

You mad because some kids go through with their threats brah?

Exactly. Who is the bigger pussy the one who makes a threat and doesn't go through with it because mommy scared her or the one who went through with his threat regardless of his parents saying they'd kick me out of the house if he did?

Hey, If you met any of the adults in my family you'd be scared shit less too. My aunt used to beat her adoptive son with a wire coat hanger. I walked on egg shells around that woman.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Quote:Hey, If you met any of the adults in my family you'd be scared shit less too. My aunt used to beat her adoptive son with a wire coat hanger. I walked on egg shells around that woman.

Not that this is a competition but.... my dad was a golden glove boxer, I got the belt from him, my mom would pull my hair and occasionally throw shoes. My cousins (5-12 year olds) STILL get the branch and coat hanger from my cousins (the parents). My cousin (who is now 26) got beat... literally beat for being left handed. Somehow he turned out pretty smart regardless if a bit aggressive/violent... his mom apologizes for it now. His brother.. not so smart lol

[SoulRiser]

Wow, you guys have some fuuuucked up families.

[Phrozen_Soul]

UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:

Quote:probably because we are stupid enough to believe in God-ha ha what morons

What the fuck?

Anyway, when i was bad at my grandmas house she made me get my own switch from the woods.

[Absnt]

FUCK YEAH, BEATING COMPETITIONS.

I remember this one time when I stayed up till like 12:00 midnight playing Nintendo 64 when I first got it. My dad came in and started smacking me around, then picked me up and literally through me across the room at my bed... I didn't make it lol. I hit the side of the bed. It fucking sucked.

Coat hangers suck though... Seriously. I hated them.

[Phrozen_Soul]

Absentinsomniac Wrote:FUCK YEAH, BEATING COMPETITIONS.

I remember this one time when I stayed up till like 12:00 midnight playing Nintendo 64 when I first got it. My dad came in and started smacking me around, then picked me up and literally through me across the room at my bed... I didn't make it lol. I hit the side of the bed. It fucking sucked.

Coat hangers suck though... Seriously. I hated them.

One time my stepdad was angry, and i was bugging him. So he pushes me and i go flying into the table, hitting tons of cast iron ornaments. The first thing I said after I got up

"That should be in an action movie"!

[Absnt]

Phrozen_Soul Wrote:One time my stepdad was angry, and i was bugging him. So he pushes me and i go flying into the table, hitting tons of cast iron ornaments. The first thing I said after I got up

"That should be in an action movie"!

Lol, nice.

[Aya]

Absentinsomniac Wrote:FUCK YEAH, BEATING COMPETITIONS.

I remember this one time when I stayed up till like 12:00 midnight playing Nintendo 64 when I first got it. My dad came in and started smacking me around, then picked me up and literally through me across the room at my bed... I didn't make it lol. I hit the side of the bed. It fucking sucked.

Coat hangers suck though... Seriously. I hated them.

My stepfather did that to me once when I was five, because I refused to pick up my toys. He used to be a real ass to my sister though. Whenever she pissed him off he would rip the door to her room off the hinges and shut the power off in her room. Psychological warfare anyone?

[Absnt]

Good times, gooood times.