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Noam Chomsky on anarchism
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I tried reading some of his other stuff, but I found it too boring. I'll read this, and maybe give some of his other stuff a try. I'll get back to you when I'm done.
“When an individual is protesting society's refusal to acknowledge his dignity as a human being, his very act of protest confers dignity on him.”
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Noam Chomsky is fucking spectacular.
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Anarchism is stupid. Don't give me that "Oh, there were so many successful anarchic communities that existed!".
Guess what happened to all those "successful" communities? They failed, hard. This was because of two reasons:
The people realized it was stupid.
An organized outside forced invaded.
The Anarchist revolution is near! We will crush the evil government by drawing the Anarchy symbol on school desks, listening to alternative rock, watching Loose Change, and shouting:"Anarchy rules!!!".
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which is why either the whole world has to be anarchist, or nobody. but it doesn't mean anarchism's hopeless.
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
The quickest way to kill a revolution is to wait for it.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:which is why either the whole world has to be anarchist, or nobody. but it doesn't mean anarchism's hopeless.
Uhhhhg, yes it does. You said it'd have to be the whole world or nobody. Good luck convincing that African dictator to stop making millions of his citizens.
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you don't convince him to let the people go, you convince the people to MAKE him let them go.
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
The quickest way to kill a revolution is to wait for it.
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It doesn't have to be everyone. I read a good essay on this a while ago; if I find it I'll post it here.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:you don't convince him to let the people go, you convince the people to MAKE him let them go.
And how do you go about that considering the fact people live in such a repressed society that they have an outstanding fear for the government? See north korea.
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i didn't say it would be easy, but it's been done. look at the soviet union, look at Haiti. look at apartheid south africa. look at nazi-controlled france. it's not impossible.
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
The quickest way to kill a revolution is to wait for it.
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Quote:look at apartheid south africa.
No... plz don't look over here... 
OK fine, so the apartheid thing is gone, but all the racism didn't just magically disappear.
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lol, i saw that movie Catch a Fire, jesus, your country was fucked up! a long time ago my dad used to work down in washington giving tours, and he told me that the south african embassy showed the group this video with a mall, and the white and black escalators were exactly the same, with all the blacks nicely dressed and happy. all the kids knew it was bullshit from the start and just made fun of it. Nelson Mandela FTW!
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
The quickest way to kill a revolution is to wait for it.
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Yeah, those are examples of fascism falling, but it still takes a while, and even then they probably still want government to be strong (see: Putin and Russias tendency towards fascism).
SoulRiser Wrote:Quote:look at apartheid south africa.
No... plz don't look over here...
OK fine, so the apartheid thing is gone, but all the racism didn't just magically disappear.
The thing that still bothers me about S. Africa is that there is still major prejudice and there are still many major issues there that most of the Western World fails to understand because it doesn't exist or is minimal comparatively to S. Africa. The issue isn't as simple as government regulation. Hell, even Gandhi was a racist towards Africans, calling them Kafirs and all that. Everyone has their own agenda. Woohooo!
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Quote:the white and black escalators were exactly the same, with all the blacks nicely dressed and happy.
Yeah right 
Quote:The thing that still bothers me about S. Africa is that there is still major prejudice and there are still many major issues there that most of the Western World fails to understand because it doesn't exist or is minimal comparatively to S. Africa.
Yup, lots of people seem to think SA is now a happy Rainbow Nation and everybody loves each other... at least, that's what all the ads on TV say, so it has to be true, right?
Racism is still everywhere, and what makes it worse is how there are laws regulating the percentage of black people businesses have to employ or else they get in trouble and stuff. That really doesn't make a lot of people want to stop being racist. TV coverage of workers striking doesn't help either... they just look so dumb when they do those little dances... 
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SoulRiser Wrote:Quote:The thing that still bothers me about S. Africa is that there is still major prejudice and there are still many major issues there that most of the Western World fails to understand because it doesn't exist or is minimal comparatively to S. Africa.
Yup, lots of people seem to think SA is now a happy Rainbow Nation and everybody loves each other... at least, that's what all the ads on TV say, so it has to be true, right?
Racism is still everywhere, and what makes it worse is how there are laws regulating the percentage of black people businesses have to employ or else they get in trouble and stuff. That really doesn't make a lot of people want to stop being racist. TV coverage of workers striking doesn't help either... they just look so dumb when they do those little dances...
Yeah, the best way is to let people do their own thing. I'm not saying we need a whites only corporation, but by regulating it aside from the basic anti discrimination laws you end up producing more discrimination.
I remember watching something about south africa when gay marriage was leglaized there, and some person said "Well, we're a very diverse nation, and this is proof", and I just laughed. Diversity doesn't nessecarily equal pure fun, especially when you consider the fact theres a lot of bitterness.
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RE: Noam Chomsky on anarchism
i found this thread when i did a search on ss for noam chomsky
i started reading tha article and i have been watching some of his videos
he is a VERY smart guy
he has so much to say worth listening to
i admire him
he *really* criticizes the US government
here is one video of him doing just that
7 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CKpCGjD8wg
part 2 8 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1q2tdb-Gw
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Noam Chomsky on anarchism
Chomsky makes a great case against US imperialism and the current capitalist system.
However, I can't say I agree with his anarchist/libertarian socialist views nor do I believe they can bring about a peaceful world.
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