why work is better than school

[Pyrokinetic_Punker]

I don't know if this belongs here but yeah, I thought I might help some people make a decision if they have the choice to drop out, but don't base your decision on what I think, remember this is just for my line of work, McDonalds, and not everyone will think the same but yeah, hopefully someone will find this interesting.

Why Work Is Better Than School

-there's no homework, once you go home you can leave it all behind until your next day at work
-there's no fricking popularity contests and cliques and all that bullshit, in general we all get along and aren't ostracised for our taste in music, clothing etc.
-The managers, unlike teachers, don't treat you like scum, OK, I know this happens at alot of other places but at my work the managers are nice and kind and don't look down on us
-you can have piercings, wear make-up and have crazy hair, we're not supposed to but the managers don't make a big deal about it
-you get paid for all the work you do, soon I'll be doing a course at work in hospitality, which will consist of me sitting and answering questions, and I get paid for it
-There's no detentions and stuff like that, if you fuck up, you either get told off or fired, but you have to fuck up a whole bunch to get fired, hell, a group of people walked out of my work yesterday and didn't come back for hours and they didn't even get yelled at when the came back



that's all I can think of for now but I might add some more later.

[Alucard483]

if you dont like it you can always quit

[Freak]

For many jobs you need an education.


There's a popularity contest everywhere you deal with people. People at your work are no different then those at school. Some people are judgmental, and some are not. It doesn't change with a different setting.

About the managers, some managers and treat you like scum, and some do not. In fact, you can report your teacher for being a complete asshole, and if you're not just being an immature moron about your teacher getting frustrated with you when you don't turn in an assignment, guess what! That teacher just lost tenure. Your manager is allowed to be an asshole, they can tell their boss that you weren't doing your job correctly, and then you're fucked.

Many of my coworkers have tattoos. So do many of my teachers. The secretary at my school has a nose piercing, one of our history teachers has hot pink hair, and many of the teachers have tattoos, in places you can see. And as for the students, we can basically do whatever the fuck we want with our body as long as it's not a Nazi tattoo, or a shirt that says, "Fuck me"
About 20% of the students at our school have a tattoo. There was a boy in our orchestra last year that had a huuuge mohawk, there are many others that have their hair into a mohawk also. There was a girl that shaved half of her head. There's probably 20 or so kids, including me, that have an 'unnatural' hair color.
90% of the girls wear makeup. Many of them need makeup tips, because they don't understand that wearing to severe eyeliner (Black eyeliner with fair skin and light hair) makes you look like a raccoon when you put it on a centimeter thick. My friend Ethan wore eyeliner for a few days last year. There are also a few kids that wear makeup that doesn't have the purpose of enhancing features. (Gothic makeup, generally.)

What's wrong with learning just for the purpose of learning? Who cares if you get paid?

About the "firing" thing, yes, for MY job it is easy to get fired. If I don't come to work and I don't call in. I'll get fired. If I don't do my job correctly, I get fired. But that's because if I don't come in, I'm making the other person who works there have to do ALL the work I'm supposed to do, and do it herself, that also including the work she has to do. And, since I work at the library, if I'm a lazy shit and don't do my job correctly, if I put a book in the wrong place because I don't feel like looking for the right spot... well. Then I'm going to completely fuck the entire organization system up. We won't be able to find many of the books, people won't get the books they want to read, we'd be failing our only purpose: to serve the literate community.

And anyone who's job serves a moral purpose, it gets them through the pain and frustration that having a job deals with. For the people whose job is completely irrelevant, most hate it. Would you still want to be working at McDonald's at thirty or forty?

I'm sorry that you don't have a job with an actual purpose other then serving death in between the two fatty, over processed buns, but for others whose jobs that actually HAVE a purpose, mostly require an education. For most of us, it's a necessary process.

[Zstriker]

Dude (or dudette), lighten up. Doing something repeated against your will isn't learning, for one. And for 2, I enjoy learning for the sake of learning, so please direct me to a school where i can. And don't go making judgement calls on people's jobs, she never said anything about "serving a purpose" so why should you? Instead of taking stabs at someones line of work, make a point. Other than that, work is paid for, so you have an incentive not to be fired. At my school, I have incentive TO be "fired" (suspended, expelled, I don't care. More time for learning for the fun of it). Learning and work are (as they well should be) 2 separate things, and work should be compensated for. As I said, learning= work=$$.

[Pyrokinetic_Punker]

why are you on this site if you like school so much? Sure, my job may not have a purpose but at least I'm having fun, and I'm not making anyone die, it's their own choice to eat there.

[liq3]

Freak Wrote:For many jobs you need an education.

And for many good jobs, you don't.

[Zstriker]

We only need an education for jobs because our employers think it's some all-important thing and we couldn't function without one. When i own my own company I'm not going to require a diploma or certificate of brainwashing. I don't want the that has been festering inside the box of directed thinking for 10+ years. I want fresh, new ideas. Not last decades status queue.

[SoulRiser]

More reasons:

Some jobs have weird time schedules (like night shift, etc), so you don't even have to get up early.
You can (mostly) choose your job, and if you change your mind you can get a different one (may or may not be as simple as it sounds though... but at least it's an option).
Once you have a job, you'll have less people bitching at you about how important school is.

[Abandoning Ship]

Pyrokinetic_Punker Wrote:I'm not making anyone die, it's their own choice to eat there.

She makes a good point.

[Darthmat]

Freak Wrote:What's wrong with learning just for the purpose of learning? Who cares if you get paid?

Nothing. However, there is something wrong with being forced to do it.

[Freak]

Zstriker Wrote:Dude (or dudette), lighten up. Doing something repeated against your will isn't learning, for one. And for 2, I enjoy learning for the sake of learning, so please direct me to a school where i can. And don't go making judgement calls on people's jobs, she never said anything about "serving a purpose" so why should you? Instead of taking stabs at someones line of work, make a point. Other than that, work is paid for, so you have an incentive not to be fired. At my school, I have incentive TO be "fired" (suspended, expelled, I don't care. More time for learning for the fun of it). Learning and work are (as they well should be) 2 separate things, and work should be compensated for. As I said, learning= work=$$.

Many teacher's curriculums aren't completely based on repeating information. Generally it's ineffective.
The "learning for the sake of learning" was directed at the part in PP's post that stated "You get paid for work, not for learning in school"
The reason I mentioned the purpose was to attack the general topic of her post: that work is better then school. Many people completely hate their jobs unless they have a moral purpose, which uplifts them from all of the difficulties of their job. But I was taking stabs at her line of work, because in my opinion her job sucks ass. Any job at a fast food restaurant part-time doesn't qualify as a job, in my opinion. But it wasn't necessarily to spite her.
Also, just because people in school like to learn there doesn't mean they're not learning for the fun of it. Exploiting a public educational system to learn with others you like and in a way that makes you learn easily can also be for the fun of it.

Pyrokinetic_Punker Wrote:why are you on this site if you like school so much? Sure, my job may not have a purpose but at least I'm having fun, and I'm not making anyone die, it's their own choice to eat there.

It's not necessarily that I like school, it's just, especially on this site, there are many topics that only present one opinion. Honestly, sitting in a desk for the majority of my day completely sucks. Lots of things about the school system suck. But that doesn't mean there aren't many benefits.
Also, I still have a moral objection to your 'line of work.' CEOs of cigarette don't force people to smoke. They don't give them the cigarettes to shove in their mouths. But they still sell it, to profit from the deaths of others. People still sell cigarettes in stores, to support the rape of America by big business.
Same with fast food.

liq3 Wrote:

Freak Wrote:For many jobs you need an education.

And for many good jobs, you don't.

And for many jobs, you do.

Zstriker Wrote:We only need an education for jobs because our employers think it's some all-important thing and we couldn't function without one. When i own my own company I'm not going to require a diploma or certificate of brainwashing. I don't want the that has been festering inside the box of directed thinking for 10+ years. I want fresh, new ideas. Not last decades status queue.

Would you like the employers in hospitals and colleges and school and university science labs to hire people who say they can cut someone open without error, teach someone without error, and attempt to cure diseases and handle volatile bacteria and chemicals without even a high school diploma?
Even if you're only going to be in business, the basic concept of you debating employers requiring a diploma for basic skills is ridiculous.

SoulRiser Wrote:More reasons:

Some jobs have weird time schedules (like night shift, etc), so you don't even have to get up early.
You can (mostly) choose your job, and if you change your mind you can get a different one (may or may not be as simple as it sounds though... but at least it's an option).
Once you have a job, you'll have less people bitching at you about how important school is.

Have you ever stayed up all night working? Night shift is the worst shift ever.
You can choose where you get an education. You can choose any type you want. There's always obstacles to go around, but don't you have to get extra college courses, etc, to get a new job?
And they're will be more people bitching about how important work is.
My manager is extremely anal about how important it is I look professional at work, she insinuated that I wear makeup, etc. She also is anal about regulation, for example if someone doesn't have there card or photo ID she will NOT check books out to them. Even though all the aides and assistants will check books out, if they've seen the person before. Also she enjoys telling everyone how to do their jobs, even though she's never been a library aide, or a library assistant.

Darthmat Wrote:

Freak Wrote:What's wrong with learning just for the purpose of learning? Who cares if you get paid?

Nothing. However, there is something wrong with being forced to do it.

You're not forced to learn. You're forced to be there, and that's the problem with the entire educational system. Because the people who don't want to be there distract the people who do and try to learn that way. But again, that was an attack on PP saying "Work is better then school because you get paid."

Also, for everyone that says you're forced to go to school and not work, it's kinda bullshit. There aren't any laws that say you HAVE to work from 16-65. But it's implied. You look see advertising everywhere that idealized fashion and just THINGS in general, and you need money for all of it. There's also negative connotations about not having a job, mainstream generally portrays the lack of a job with laziness and ignorance.

ATXTheKiller Wrote:

Pyrokinetic_Punker Wrote:I'm not making anyone die, it's their own choice to eat there.

She makes a good point.

No she doesn't.

[Abandoning Ship]

Freak Wrote:

Pyrokinetic_Punker Wrote:why are you on this site if you like school so much? Sure, my job may not have a purpose but at least I'm having fun, and I'm not making anyone die, it's their own choice to eat there.

It's not necessarily that I like school, it's just, especially on this site, there are many topics that only present one opinion. Honestly, sitting in a desk for the majority of my day completely sucks. Lots of things about the school system suck. But that doesn't mean there aren't many benefits.
Also, I still have a moral objection to your 'line of work.' CEOs of cigarette don't force people to smoke. They don't give them the cigarettes to shove in their mouths. But they still sell it, to profit from the deaths of others. People still sell cigarettes in stores, to support the rape of America by big business.
Same with fast food.

Well, she needs money, and since she's young (and she dropped out) she doesn't exactly have a lot of job opportunities.

[Freak]

I thought you didn't need an education to get a good job.

[dreamer...]

Thanks, it's good to know the pros (and cons, now that Freak posted) of working instead of attending school.

Pyrokinetic_Punker Wrote:there's no homework, once you go home you can leave it all behind until your next day at work

I think some jobs actually do have homework, but probably not to the extent that school did. The best part of leaving school is leaving the homework, in my opinion. Definitely a pro

Alucard483 Wrote:if you dont like it you can always quit

YES! Jobs aren't compulsory!


I'm still waiting for more responses on my "Jobs w/o skill or college" thread...please?....

[liq3]

Freak Wrote:I thought you didn't need an education to get a good job.

You don't, but you will need a portfolio showing your skills. I agree that certifications should be required for many jobs. But most certifications can be done with some testing and possibly practical tests. Want to become an architect? Have one of his blueprints checked by someone, and then if it's up to industry standard, give him a certification. Maybe give him a test as well. What's so hard about that? If there is a test that requires 96% correct to pass, and it's got pretty much everything you need to know on it, why can't that be used instead of a diploma?

[SoulRiser]

Quote:Have you ever stayed up all night working? Night shift is the worst shift ever.

Not if you like sleeping all day.

Quote:You can choose where you get an education. You can choose any type you want.

Not unless your parents let you.

Quote:There's always obstacles to go around, but don't you have to get extra college courses, etc, to get a new job?

Depends on the job. If it's basically the same job, just at a different place, then no.

Quote:And they're will be more people bitching about how important work is.

Yeah, there's always bitchez
At least you get paid to put up with the work ones. And you can quit without having to beg for anyone's permission. The other thing is there's no detention and other silly punishments at work.

[Freak]

Wait... is this a debate is work is easier or better?

[Pyrokinetic_Punker]

maybe I should change the title to "why I prefer work to school" because lots of people seem to disagree, yes, my job is pointless but I'd like money for music and stuff. I mainly got a job to appease my parents because they were worried I was wasting my life, they still pay for food for me though so the money I get (which isn't a lot) I just spend on things for myself which is nice. Sorry for pissing people off, I just wanted to express my opinion on the subject. I can actually do a course at TAFE which is the equivalant to completing the last to years at highschool so if I ever want a better job I can do that, which I plan to do at some point, but not now, now I'm just trying to figure out what I want in life.

[Freak]

I don't think anyone was getting pissed off. But also, when you make a topic on SS, even if it's your specific opinion, it's always up for debate. So changing the topic name wouldn't help much, it's kinda what forums are for. (Discussing... things, in general)

[liq3]

Pyrokinetic_Punker Wrote:now I'm just trying to figure out what I want in life.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/co ... iously.htm

If that doesn't help, nothing will.

Also, there are other articles written by him more specific to your 'problem'.

[Darthmat]

One link is not the only thing that will help, no matter what.

[liq3]

Darthmat Wrote:

One link is not the only thing that will help, no matter what.

Try reading it again...

[Coma Girl]

What i like about work for me is that i still go to school, and i work at donut king. Well, your probably thinking that donut king is similar to macca's, but its much different.


we learnt to perform heaps of stuff, we make coffee's, serve customers, make food...a lot of stuff basically.


my people skills have grown so much aswell.

this is what a job teaches you. and ive learnt so much from it. you get to see what its like fromt he other side.

btw, punker, which macca's are you working at? (you can pm me if you want, dont feel like you have to though ok? i dont wanna seem like a stalker=)

[Will]

It seems that Pyrokinetic_Punker likes her job and is trying (successfully, I think) to figure out why. Regardless of whether her explanation is stupid, if she likes work more than school, she likes work more than school, so Freak is wrong.

It's possible that Pyrokinetic_Punker doesn't really like her job but doesn't want to admit that school was better, however, which would make Freak's comments valid. This seems less likely than the above possibility.

I have a question too: Do you get paid enough?