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Best Parenting Advice in Ever - genuine anarchist - 05-14-2011 12:02 PM
http://rather-vocalized-illusion.blogsp ... nting.html
It's been a while, SS. I know it's been said before, but this blogger pretty much articulated what I think most parents should do.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - LOON_ATTIC - 05-14-2011 02:45 PM
Yeah, fucking win. Loved the part about maturity and age. Things like these give me a little chunk of faith on humanity.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - Miller0700 - 05-15-2011 08:57 AM
That was decent.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - HeartofShadows - 05-17-2011 10:57 PM
Quote:You see, what I've come to dislike about so many Parents nowadays is their sense of entitlement. The feeling that their children owe them something because they went through the stupidity of not using a fucking condom... or in the case of my parents: going at it like sex offenders all the fucking time.
I actually clapped and also nice to see ya genuine.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheHate - 05-18-2011 03:09 AM
Quote:Children and Teenagers only obey who they respect, and they only respect someone who has earned that respect. In the 70's and 80's, it was standard practise to use corporal punishment on children, and demand they respect you "or else". But it's worth mentioning that many of the Parenting methods from that era died out for a good fucking reason. As the 90's and 2000's came along, they only proved effective as long as you were bigger and stronger than the child, which isn't always a garuntee.
SO.TRUE.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheCancer - 05-18-2011 10:54 AM
Kids seem like such a nightmare and I am so glad I don't have any. I don't know what to make of this. I think sometimes even good parents can't win. I don't know if this question is really related to this or not but at what age do any of you think it would be ok for a parent to stop providing food, clothing, and shelter to a child? If a child is not compliant to the parent should the parent be able to say 'ok there's the door' ?
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - HeartofShadows - 05-18-2011 11:20 AM
TheCancer Wrote:Kids seem like such a nightmare and I am so glad I don't have any. I don't know what to make of this. I think sometimes even good parents can't win. I don't know if this question is really related to this or not but at what age do any of you think it would be ok for a parent to stop providing food, clothing, and shelter to a child? If a child is not compliant to the parent should the parent be able to say 'ok there's the door' ?
I guess its not fair to you guys too.
I have a cousin who is in jail now after my uncle pretty tried everything he could for em. The guy is a dipshit and my uncle was wealthy and I wish he was my dad but my cousin wanted to play gangster.
Okay for your question its mostly an American mentality to kick your kid out at 18. In other countries(specially asia) its normal for children to stay with their parents(although most try to have a job) until their married.
As for the last one I don't know and I'm glad I don't have a kid so I would have to learn.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - Absnt - 05-18-2011 11:59 AM
If an adult has a kid, it is my belief that they have a responsibility to that child to keep 'em alive until that kid has the ability to fend for him/herself. It's also my belief that if a kid wants to up and leave, they can have at it, but they'll probably be back by nightfall due to a lack of resources...
I define "being able to fend for him/herself" as being able to get a job and being able to acquire the basic needs of life. Course, I also believe that the parent should give the kid/teen/young adult enough time to get that job... Landlords have to give prior warning, so why shouldn't parents?
Perhaps.
With today's fucked up educational standards and what not, though, I may be wrong. Kicking someone out before they have a high school diploma will probably ensure them a hard fucking life, and that's kind of fucked up, so the parent should have to have a good reason for it.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheCancer - 05-19-2011 11:31 AM
I guess I believe that a parents should be able to do whatever they want with their kids besides forcing them to stay.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - Absnt - 05-19-2011 11:37 AM
TheCancer Wrote:I guess I believe that a parents should be able to do whatever they want with their kids besides forcing them to stay.
Aside from illegalities, and brutal shit, right?
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - LOON_ATTIC - 05-19-2011 11:54 AM
TheCancer Wrote:I guess I believe that a parents should be able to do whatever they want with their kids besides forcing them to stay.I disagree, they shouldn't try to "mold them" to do something they really don't want to do. I'm not saying they shouldn't intervene when their kids are harming themselves, but rather, they shouldn't HARM THEM which is what a lot of them do, and they should actually help them become better people.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheCancer - 05-19-2011 11:57 PM
Absentinsomniac Wrote:TheCancer Wrote:I guess I believe that a parents should be able to do whatever they want with their kids besides forcing them to stay.
Aside from illegalities, and brutal shit, right?
I don't know. Being brutal is wrong but I don't know if the police should be involved in families. I can see both sides.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheCancer - 05-19-2011 11:58 PM
Lunatic Wrote:TheCancer Wrote:I guess I believe that a parents should be able to do whatever they want with their kids besides forcing them to stay.I disagree, they shouldn't try to "mold them" to do something they really don't want to do. I'm not saying they shouldn't intervene when their kids are harming themselves, but rather, they shouldn't HARM THEM which is what a lot of them do, and they should actually help them become better people.
That sounds reasonable. But some kids will just be like 'F- You' no matter what you do. I wouldn't be able to stand it. Again, there's a reason I don't have kids.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - Absnt - 05-20-2011 05:43 AM
TheCancer Wrote:I don't know. Being brutal is wrong but I don't know if the police should be involved in families. I can see both sides.
The thing most people fail to realize is that kids are individuals. They are people. They are NOT "people in training" or "soon to be people", they are actually their own unit of independent thought and action. They should have the same amount of rights as adults have.
If someone is brutalizing their kids, or infringing on their rights, the law should most definitely intervene. The law is the law, and having kids is not a justification for breaking those laws.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheCancer - 05-20-2011 08:45 AM
Quote:they are actually their own unit of independent thought and action
Then shouldn't they have the right to either stay in an abusive situation or go out and try things on their own? If someone is not being forced to stay then aren't they consenting to abuse by staying?
Quote:If someone is brutalizing their kids, or infringing on their rights, the law should most definitely intervene.
If they're capable of independent thought and action they should be able to find the door. If they're not allowed to be held against their will and have independent thought that I would say allows for them to either consent or not then that's treating them as a true equal. So my point is that the only law necessary is that parents shouldn't be allowed to restrain their kids. But starting at what age? Maybe five or so.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - Absnt - 05-20-2011 10:20 AM
TheCancer Wrote:Then shouldn't they have the right to either stay in an abusive situation or go out and try things on their own? If someone is not being forced to stay then aren't they consenting to abuse by staying?
Very, very few kids and/or teens have the means to survive on their own. Sure, they should have the right to go, but were would they go? How would leaving home that early benefit them? They'd probably end up being street urchants.
Quote:If they're capable of independent thought and action they should be able to find the door. If they're not allowed to be held against their will and have independent thought that I would say allows for them to either consent or not then that's treating them as a true equal.
So my point is that the only law necessary is that parents shouldn't be allowed to restrain their kids. But starting at what age? Maybe five or so.
My point is that assault and battery, kicking someone out without prior notice, taking things from people that they were given as a gift or earned themselves, and a number of other things parents do to kids on a daily basis is already illegal. The law just doesn't apply in parent-child relationships, and I think it should on the basis of equality. It's illegal to beat one's wife, regardless of weather she can leave at any moment or not. It should be the same way with kids.
(I'm not even going to get into corporal punishment, I'm talking about genuine abuse. Although, some would argue that corporal punishment IS genuine abuse...)
And we CAN NOT ignore the fact that most 5 to 15 year olds would do very, very poorly on their own. Most 5 to 8 year olds may, in fact, end up dead, if kicked out of their house or forced to leave due to an abusive relationship. On this same note, it was the parents chioce to have the kid, not the kids choice to be born, so why should the kid be punished for his/her parents mistake? It's the parents responsibility to raise this kid, and/or ensure his/her survival until that person is fit to survive on their own.
If a kid is particularly sadistic and abuses his/her parents, then that parent should probably call the police or something. If we're going to have a government, let's have a fucking fair one and use it for equality, not a one sided, rigged game where adults always win and can do whatever they want, or abandon their kids they decided to have.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - TheCancer - 05-21-2011 12:09 AM
Everything you say seems right. I just have a feeling about it that bothers me but I can't think of any reasonable argument. Like I said before, I'm glad I don't have kids.
Re: Best Parenting Advice in Ever - Absnt - 05-21-2011 06:53 AM
TheCancer Wrote:Everything you say seems right. I just have a feeling about it that bothers me but I can't think of any reasonable argument. Like I said before, I'm glad I don't have kids.
Me too, lol.