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Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 10:13 AM
So, the day before spring break, we started covering evolution. We were watching a video on it, and this one bitch in my class was like "I'm not watching this." A friend of mine is also a bit of a bible thumper, but she's generally not an ass, she was also getting mildly pissed off, but that other girl was horrible. Ever five seconds. "I'M NOT WATCHING THIS SHIT!" It took everything I had (and the fact that I know my friend would be offended) not to yell "THEN FUCKING LEAVE. THERE'S THE DOOR."
Okay, honestly, I don't think anyone should be forced to learn anything, but the fact that she's strongly opposed to it, and instead of doing something about it by leaving, or just not paying attention, decides to fucking cause a scene to interrupt the people who were actually interested. And it wasn't some craptacular 80's school program, it was an episode from Nova, so I was at least half paying attention to that, then half paying attention to my art.
My Christian friend just rolled her eyes at random times (it was pretty "My way or the highway" like, so I can understand the slight rage.) and read a book.
What I don't get is, how the theory of evolution even goes against the bible. It said god made everything, but didn't specify how he made it. So I've never understood the needless butthurt.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Nah - 04-05-2010 11:41 AM
Most Christians just oppose it because they think they are supposed to oppose it. I am a Christian, and I don't really see any problem with evolution. I'm not convinced its right, but I'm not convinced it's wrong either. But if she didn't want to learn, she should have just left.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - LOON_ATTIC - 04-05-2010 11:47 AM
Wait, did they even let her leave? I don't think so. We watched some stuff about evolution (no one cared) and there was no way anyone could leave without causing a shitstorm
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 11:52 AM
Quote:Most Christians just oppose it because they think they are supposed to oppose it. I am a Christian, and I don't really see any problem with evolution. I'm not convinced its right, but I'm not convinced it's wrong either. But if she didn't want to learn, she should have just left.Which is pretty much my main issue. She should just leave, or occupy herself with something other than annoying me with her presence.
Maybe I'm biased because I've hated this girl for years, she always has to be rude to someone. And it's funny that she picks on the people that can't defend themselves. I used to love my honours class because there weren't any assholes, and I was good friends with them all, but then she transferred in and fucked everything up.
Anyway, I think evolution could fit in perfectly with the bible. Not to mention, it's only a theory, the theory makes sense to me, but it hasn't been proven yet.
So, I just don't think all the bawwing and butthurt is that necessary, especially if atheists have to say "one nation, under god" I'm pretty sure the Christians should be just a bit more open minded. Hell, I'm a christian, I just believe the bible is fucked up beyond belief.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 11:55 AM
Lunatic Wrote:Wait, did they even let her leave? I don't think so. We watched some stuff about evolution (no one cared) and there was no way anyone could leave without causing a shitstormShe didn't try to. If she tried, that's one thing, I'd applaud the girl, but no, she took the easy way out.
They say pounds of pro school shit, and I don't complain, I just refuse to listen, and be a smart ass on all the pro school work assignments I'm given, but I don't disrupt the entire class, or leave (mainly because to them, I have no grounds to disagree, but if it was something like religion, you'd bet your ass I'd be walking out, since I could probably sue for that.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - యూజర్ పేరు - 04-05-2010 12:10 PM
Watching Bible-thumpers complain isn't fun at all. People might actually agree and sympathize with them. And once you get enough people on one side, that one side can do whatever it wants and get away with it.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 12:18 PM
Meat Miracle Wrote:Watching Bible-thumpers complain isn't fun at all. People might actually agree and sympathize with them. And once you get enough people on one side, that one side can do whatever it wants and get away with it.Honours Science. I'm actually pretty sure 75% of the class is either indifferent or atheist. One of them (who happens to be a phenomenal artist, one of the best I know, she draws deliciously Gothic work) is either a wiccan, or an all out satanist. I don't know her well enough yet to know for sure. So, at that moment, most were on my side.
So yea, it was pretty fucking lulzy... but I still wanted to rage.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - genuine anarchist - 04-05-2010 12:32 PM
It really depends on your definition of lulzy. Anyone here heard of Fred Phelps? Most of his parishioners are freakin' lulzy. I mean, picture a bunch of white, redneck, inbred, stupid-ass bible-thumping Christians (no offense to any Southerners, moderate Christians, and whites in general) screaming about how God will kill gay people and explaining in their annoying drawls how 9/11 was God's plan to kill the sinners. Wait, that's not funny...maybe it's just the fact that they're so ignorant.
Anyway, as for Christians opposing evolution, it has to do with the fact that in the Bible, God created the world in 7 days, and man co-existed with all the creatures. Evolution says dinosaurs came first, and other creatures evolved over time, and man also evolved over a long period of time. These are the Christians that take the Bible literally, the ones who don't understand that the Bible is supposed to teach you how to be a good person (I don't see how it can do that, just read the Old Testament) using stories and it should not be taken literally. At all. Even Jesus' life story was written hundreds of years after he died.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - The Desert Fox - 04-05-2010 01:01 PM
Captain Obvious Wrote:Watching bible thumpers BAWW if fun.Clearly.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 01:03 PM
The Desert Fox Wrote:Well, I just don't know what you people find lulzy anymore, plus, I take life with a sense of indifference, so I'm more likely to think something's lulzy.Captain Obvious Wrote:Watching bible thumpers BAWW if fun.Clearly.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Fire Elf - 04-05-2010 01:05 PM
Having a bible thumper teach your English class isn't though. I should just leave that room during class. Maybe a few other students will follow, and the school will tumble into glorious chaos.
No? Well, we have the right to dream.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 01:07 PM
Fire Elf Wrote:Having a bible thumper teach your English class isn't though.True.
Having a bible thumper/nazi paying the bills in your house isn't very lulzy either.
But the difference is, my dad doesn't BAWW, so it's never lulzy.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - monkey - 04-05-2010 01:33 PM
Meat Miracle Wrote:Watching Bible-thumpers complain isn't fun at all. People might actually agree and sympathize with them. And once you get enough people on one side, that one side can do whatever it wants and get away with it.
A great example is steven kings "The Mist" (I didn't read the book but I want to badly, I saw the movie and I was like "holy shit") Without ruining the movie basically there was this crazy christian lady, And pretty soon everyone was following her corrupt rule. Which involved brutal violence against whoever the hell they felt like it. "In the name of god"
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - psychopath - 04-05-2010 02:25 PM
Evolution is heavily backed by evidence so there's no difference between teaching evolution or physics. They only have a problem with it because it contradicts their beliefs.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 02:31 PM
Which, as I stated before, it really damn confusing.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Absnt - 04-05-2010 03:27 PM
psychopath Wrote:Evolution is heavily backed by evidence so there's no difference between teaching evolution or physics. They only have a problem with it because it contradicts their beliefs.
This. Evolution, in my book, is basically proven, for the most part anyway.
People use the term "theory" very lightly. Scientists, on the other hand, back their shit up, and use the term "theory" as not yet proven but damn well near. It's not like they just go out and think this shit up, then decide it's a theory. It's all based on discoveries, math and things like this. And the evolution theory, from what I hear has been backed up by tons of facts. Sure, some theory's are not very strong, and if that's the case, scientists generally won't try to teach them to the public.
Anyway, everything I've wanted to say on the matter has basically been summed up by everyone else. Including the whole "not taking the bible literally" thing. Besides, the bible has been passed down and changed through so many languages it's probably very distorted.
I don't know.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-05-2010 03:39 PM
I'm pretty sure it's basically proven, though, as far as I know, the evidence isn't set in stone.
But, it makes perfect sense, my bible thumping dad uses the argument, "If evolution were real, then that would mean, say a big eyed monkey was born, and that big eyed monkey would have to find another big eyed monkey to mate with, to get the same thing.
What he forgets is this isn't an over night process, the monkeys eyes would get slightly bigger over time, due to natural selection. In this made up area, this made up monkey would have a bigger chance of survival with bigger eyes. So, the small eyed monkeys die off, and the big eyed monkeys stay alive.
At least, that's the branch of evolution I believe in.
Though, I'm pretty sure the whole T-Rex became the chicken thing is bullshit (but if it was, it would be the most ironic thing ever). Because I don't see how something with scales could grow feathers, natural selection doesn't go that far. But there were feathered dinosaurs that really resemble birds, chickens mostly.
Which brings up another important question, how do we know dinosaurs didn't have feathers or fur?
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Absnt - 04-05-2010 03:44 PM
CrayolaColours Wrote:Which brings up another important question, how do we know dinosaurs didn't have feathers or fur?
I don't know much on the matter, but I'm pretty sure scientists said a lot of rapters, and larger and smaller land based animals like that did have feathers.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - The Desert Fox - 04-05-2010 03:44 PM
CrayolaColours Wrote:Which brings up another important question, how do we know dinosaurs didn't have feathers or fur?Clicky
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Reptorian - 04-06-2010 03:31 AM
genuine anarchist Wrote:Anyway, as for Christians opposing evolution, it has to do with the fact that in the Bible, God created the world in 7 days, and man co-existed with all the creatures. Evolution says dinosaurs came first, and other creatures evolved over time, and man also evolved over a long period of time. These are the Christians that take the Bible literally, the ones who don't understand that the Bible is supposed to teach you how to be a good person (I don't see how it can do that, just read the Old Testament) using stories and it should not be taken literally. At all. Even Jesus' life story was written hundreds of years after he died.
Actually, there was no real definitions of the words used in the genesis such as kind or day. A kind could be defined as many set of organism that have changed after many years and a day is considering like a thousand years according to the bible hence there is some evidence of exaggeration. So a biblical day could be by far more than 24 hours. Some of the orders of the genesis are correct such as plant being first and then animals.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - CrayolaColours - 04-06-2010 03:40 AM
VisualStyly Wrote:Exactly, so bible thumpers need to quit bawwing over the non-threat.genuine anarchist Wrote:Anyway, as for Christians opposing evolution, it has to do with the fact that in the Bible, God created the world in 7 days, and man co-existed with all the creatures. Evolution says dinosaurs came first, and other creatures evolved over time, and man also evolved over a long period of time. These are the Christians that take the Bible literally, the ones who don't understand that the Bible is supposed to teach you how to be a good person (I don't see how it can do that, just read the Old Testament) using stories and it should not be taken literally. At all. Even Jesus' life story was written hundreds of years after he died.
Actually, there was no real definitions of the words used in the genesis such as kind or day. A kind could be defined as many set of organism that have changed after many years and a day is considering like a thousand years according to the bible hence there is some evidence of exaggeration. So a biblical day could be by far more than 24 hours. Some of the orders of the genesis are correct such as plant being first and then animals.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Liquid - 04-07-2010 07:53 AM
VisualStyly Wrote:Actually, there was no real definitions of the words used in the genesis such as kind or day.
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
- Genesis 1:5
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Reptorian - 04-07-2010 12:28 PM
Liquid Wrote:VisualStyly Wrote:Actually, there was no real definitions of the words used in the genesis such as kind or day.
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
- Genesis 1:5
Day could also be defined as generation as observed from this passage. Evening and morning can be used in phrases such as back in my day or the day of the automobile. This passage just shows that a biblical day can last longer than a 24 hour period. Keep in mind that the bible do make sense in some aspects if it weren't taken to be literally.
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, (Genesis 2:4 KJV)
The passage shows that there were generations of the heavens and the earth during the time of the day when the earth and heavens was being formed. Generation could be referred to a long period of time.
Also, there are places on this earth that have a seemingly endless summer without darkness as observed in the south or north pole. This shows that a day can be considered longer than just a part of a 24 hour period. Why would this example just don't add up to the your meaning of biblical meaning of day? Perhap the day used in the bible was referring to the undefined amount of time to complete a task.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Liquid - 04-09-2010 08:16 AM
I acknowledge that some of the words do have poetic meanings, however the text keeps repeating the words "light", "day,", "darkness", "night", "evening", "morning", which would seem to convey the it means a literal day/night cycle over the course of a literal week.
The length of a literal day could be different, you have a point there.
Another flaw with trying to combine Evolution with Creation though is that there was no death before the Fall. Paleontologists dig up new prehistoric animals all the time, and many of them are meat-eaters. From a Creationist stand point these animals would have had to have lived and died after the fall, not before it.
An alternative argument is that evolution happened at a supper fast rate during the creation week. Hard to argue against, but there's really not much reason for trying to weave evolution into it as there are plenty of reasons to argue against evolution even on a purely scientific point of view.
VisualStyly Wrote:These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, (Genesis 2:4 KJV)
The passage shows that there were generations of the heavens and the earth during the time of the day when the earth and heavens was being formed. Generation could be referred to a long period of time.
Yes, but the creation of the heavens and the earth happened in the "Beginning" and was preexisting when God created light. It was created "formless and void" during the time before the first day.
Re: Watching bible thumpers BAWW is fun. - Reptorian - 04-09-2010 11:55 AM
Liquid Wrote:Another flaw with trying to combine Evolution with Creation though is that there was no death before the Fall. Paleontologists dig up new prehistoric animals all the time, and many of them are meat-eaters. From a Creationist stand point these animals would have had to have lived and died after the fall, not before it.
An alternative argument is that evolution happened at a supper fast rate during the creation week. Hard to argue against, but there's really not much reason for trying to weave evolution into it as there are plenty of reasons to argue against evolution even on a purely scientific point of view.
Actually impossible to confirm beliefs and scientific facts cannot be anyhow proven and it turns to be a belief itself. There's not much point into integrating both. This is coming from a person who studies science and do believe in god (no religion is involved).
As for the quote itself, I'll get back to you later on that.