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It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Printable Version +- School Survival Forums (http://forums.school-survival.net) +-- Forum: Learning, Youth Rights and School Survival (/forumdisplay.php?fid=3) +--- Forum: Youth Rights (/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Thread: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft (/showthread.php?tid=36934) Pages: 1 2 |
It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 01-17-2017 12:26 PM Random Mother-That's It give me your laptop Random Child of Random Mother-You gave the money to me for [Insert Giant list of chores here],and fortified the right to claim it as yours when you did so,unless your paycheck is "your bosses money",you fucking hypocrite. So no,I will not give you the Laptop I bought with my money. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - sswbm - 01-18-2017 03:57 AM The law often doesn't care about theft. Their definition of theft is extremely narrow and inconsistent. Digital piracy being legal in so many places is another example. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 01-18-2017 05:22 AM (01-18-2017 03:57 AM)Jop Wrote: The law often doesn't care about theft. Their definition of theft is extremely narrow and inconsistent. Digital piracy being legal in so many places is another example. Okay,but we're not here to discuss piracy. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 01-18-2017 05:32 AM What if the child didn't earn their pocket money? Does that make it any different? It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - SoulRiser - 01-18-2017 05:35 AM Quote:The law often doesn't care about theft. Their definition of theft is extremely narrow and inconsistent.The lawmakers also technically steal from most of their citizens on a regular basis (taxes). RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 01-18-2017 05:45 AM (01-18-2017 05:32 AM)Gwedin Wrote: What if the child didn't earn their pocket money? Does that make it any different?No. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Sadly_Not - 01-18-2017 06:30 AM Yo~ If it's the child's property they bought with their own cash definitelyly theirs. If the parents gave the cash to the child I think the parent should have a little more control over the laptop. Like no using it for games past 12 AM or you can't use it on Sunday afternoon. (idk) But by give money I don't mean like money earned through chores I mean money given without earning it. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 01-18-2017 06:43 AM Quote:No.Why? If the child did not earn the money then it wouldn't be a stretch for the parent to consider the laptop or whatever paid for out of their own pocket. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 01-18-2017 07:09 AM (01-18-2017 06:43 AM)Gwedin Wrote:Quote:No.Why? If the child did not earn the money then it wouldn't be a stretch for the parent to consider the laptop or whatever paid for out of their own pocket. Once you give a gift away (ESPECIALLY IF THE GIFT IS MONEY),it's no longer yours. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 01-18-2017 07:57 AM Often the case is it isn't a gift and the parent expects good behaviour in return for the money (or at least, not shit behaviour). In that case, is it justified for the parent to take the laptop that they (in their opinion) forked out for away from the child for misbehaving? RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 01-18-2017 08:39 AM (01-18-2017 07:57 AM)Gwedin Wrote: Often the case is it isn't a gift and the parent expects good behaviour in return for the money (or at least, not shit behaviour). In that case, is it justified for the parent to take the laptop that they (in their opinion) forked out for away from the child for misbehaving? Depends.. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - TheCancer - 01-18-2017 09:07 AM Is it theft when a parent is forced by law to provide food, clothing, and shelter for a child? If a 12 eats food that she didn't buy isn't she stealing from whoever paid for it? Sure she should be allowed to keep her computer as long as she's ready to no longer accept anything else unless it's freely gifted by the parents. I wouldn't want the child to be morally compromised by stealing food and shelter. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 01-18-2017 09:21 AM Quote:Depends.. On? RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 01-18-2017 10:46 AM (01-18-2017 09:21 AM)Gwedin Wrote:Quote:Depends.. Things. TROLOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOOLLLLLLOOLLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - sswbm - 01-18-2017 09:02 PM (01-18-2017 09:07 AM)TheCancer Wrote: Is it theft when a parent is forced by law to provide food, clothing, and shelter for a child? They aren't. You can let your child be adopted by someone else. (01-18-2017 09:07 AM)TheCancer Wrote: If a 12 eats food that she didn't buy isn't she stealing from whoever paid for it? If the food has a label on it with someone's name, then yes. But it probably doesn't and they purchased it for the whole family. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - TheCancer - 01-19-2017 11:20 AM Quote:They aren't. You can let your child be adopted by someone else. You can't just stop feeding a kid and tell him to get adopted. It's against the law to let a kid starve. It's crazy. It's like kids are using the government to steal from their parents. Go out and find your own food. If you can. Or starve. Just as long as there's no "theft". RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - stevehein - 02-01-2017 10:56 AM (01-18-2017 08:39 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote: [quote='Gwedin' pid='574726' dateline='1484690273'] this would just behavior control. i would feel discouraged if anyone on ss would think this could possibly be ok. the relationship between so called children and the birth parents is an involuntary one, forced by laws in every country i have been to i believe few pple would agree to blatant behavior control if they were really free, and relatively intelligent It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Rule_BreakerXVIII - 02-02-2017 07:15 PM And my parents wonder why I don't trust them at all. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Superkamiguru - 02-07-2017 08:20 AM (02-01-2017 10:56 AM)stevehein Wrote:Yay,this.(01-18-2017 08:39 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote: [quote='Gwedin' pid='574726' dateline='1484690273'] It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - The man - 04-13-2017 11:37 AM I'm bringing it back. RE: It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 04-13-2017 05:49 PM (02-01-2017 10:56 AM)stevehein Wrote:(01-18-2017 08:39 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote: [quote='Gwedin' pid='574726' dateline='1484690273'] ok. (02-01-2017 10:56 AM)stevehein Wrote: i would feel discouraged if anyone on ss would think this could possibly be ok. i don't care what you feel (02-01-2017 10:56 AM)stevehein Wrote: the relationship between so called children and the birth parents is an involuntary one, forced by laws in every country i have been to ok, get rid of the laws and are parents going to suddenly stop using taking away a child's items as punishment? lol. or are children suddenly going to start acting on equal terms with the parent, ignoring the natural authority a parent exerts over their child? lol. (02-01-2017 10:56 AM)stevehein Wrote: i believe few pple would agree to blatant behavior control if they were really free, and relatively intelligent i care more about facts than what you believe Superkamiguru Wrote:Yay,this.idiot It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Avatar Korra - 04-13-2017 11:49 PM J.6 What methods of child rearing do anarchists advocate? http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secJ6.html I haven't read the whole thing yet, but this article describes a way of raising "free children" without punishments or coercion. It sounds pretty radical at first, but makes more sense(and sounds more practical) with the more you read. Here's a piece of it for an idea: Quote:Moralism, however, can never get at the root of the problem of secondary drives, but in fact only increases the pressure of crime and guilt. The real solution is to let children develop what Reich calls natural self-regulation. This can be done only by not subjecting them to punishment, coercion, threats, moralistic lectures and admonitions, withdrawal of love, etc. in an attempt to inhibit their spontaneous expression of natural life-impulses. The systematic development of the emphatic tendencies of the young infant is the best way to "socialise" and restrict activities that are harmful to the others. As A.S. Neill pointed out "self-regulation implies a belief in the goodness of human nature; a belief that there is not, and never was, original sin." [Summerhill, p. 103] It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - James Comey - 04-14-2017 03:59 AM Well this ought to be a good debate ![]() These were the best things about old SS. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - The man - 04-23-2017 07:09 AM Yas. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - James Comey - 04-23-2017 07:43 AM Yes, let's continue this debate! It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 04-23-2017 08:47 AM what sorry am i supposed to be refuting something here or what It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - James Comey - 04-23-2017 09:19 AM Korravatar? It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Avatar Korra - 04-23-2017 09:42 AM I'm supposed to be debating? o.o I just posted an article with a way to raise kids without coercion and punishment- the opposite of what the random mother in Superkamiguru's OP did for her kid. I still have to read more about it before I can debate for it. It's a slightly new concept (that's making hella sense so far) for me at the moment. It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Gwedin - 04-23-2017 11:26 AM that article, even the "examples" bit, seems to be entirely theory. i have a small mental capacity and that article is simply way too fucking dense for me to try to argue against. i'd like to see that philosophy put into practice so that the results of it could actually be analysed so we can perhaps say "oh, this works, but..." or "this works great!" or "this is complete trash!" It's still MORALLY theft,even if it's not LEGALLY theft - Avatar Korra - 04-23-2017 11:44 AM It kinda seems like a combination of unschooling and attachment parenting which have more research put into them since they are a little more common. |