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Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 07:19 AM

Ego is the opposite of love, hate, neglect and apathy are all a part of ego, hate is the absence of love.


Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 09:17 AM

You can love to hate.

Ego is just the self. To have an ego is to be conscious. The idea is that having an ego beyond what you actually are, thus fictionalizing reality, is what causes problems. Not having an ego is just as bad.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 09:51 AM

Ego and love are both conscious. Ego is the self or better put, selfishness about seeing how the world operates for you (Remember the words Egocentric, Egotism, and Egotistical, all imply selfishness)

Love is the absence of self, selfless side of it, however both cannot be explained fully, it's impossible for anyone to give a whole answer.


Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 09:53 AM

Of course ego imply selfishness. The word Ego means I, I being the self. Thus ego is the self.

There is no opposite to ego. Without ego, there is nothing. You still need a self to act selfless. The ego is what loves or hates.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 09:54 AM

Ego can't love, it is self. Love is the complete opposite of ego, love is not self, it just is and is based on others. By saying there is no opposite for ego after agreeing it is selfishness, you are implying selflessness is nonexistent.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 10:05 AM

Damn it where are my manners, this is so off topic.


Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 10:12 AM

Ego is a conscious awareness. Love is an emotional sensation created by neurochemicals(hormones).


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 10:13 AM

Why do you believe love is from hormones? Have you looked to see if science is right or is it just a hypothesis? What you are describing sounds a lot more like sexual feelings.


Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 10:24 AM

No. The human is nothing more than an organic machine made up of electrical neurons, chemical hormones, and various other biological mechanisms that ensure function.

The ego is a man-made concept meant to define the conscious understanding of existing as an individual self-aware being. All emotions are caused by chemicals responses to various stimuli, and in many cases determined by the individual temperament of the processing unit(aka brain). Thought it nothing more than complex analyzation of data gathered by our various senses translated into electrical impulses transmitted to the brain.

Genetics(instinct) and Experience(learned knowledge) combine to form the basis of our fundamental behaviors.

While love can be an abstract idea, it is primarily felt as a chemical response. Lust and Love are the same things with the only difference being how they're comprehended. I don't believe in that nonsense that love is some mystical thing stemming from the soul or whatever.

I might be religious, that doesn't mean I wouldn't think my body is nothing more than an exquisitely designed biological machine.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 10:27 AM

Where is your evidence for all this? What you are describing sounds like mostly what scientists think but science cannot fully explain everything. Love and lust are two different things, lust is a desire for the body, love is not.


Contagious Pessimism - Ky - 08-15-2015 10:30 AM

Guys. Seriously. This is Ferigeras' ES&V thread. Break it up.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 10:31 AM

I'm sorry that is what I meant to do but sometimes I just can't resist debates, I promise I will stop.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 11:02 AM

(08-15-2015 10:30 AM)DoA Wrote:  Guys. Seriously. This is Ferigeras' ES&V thread. Break it up.

Just split it mang. I'm too lazy to do it.


Contagious Pessimism - Ky - 08-15-2015 11:08 AM

You can continue now.


Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 11:21 AM

You couldn't have renamed it?

Quote:Where is your evidence for all this? What you are describing sounds like mostly what scientists think but science cannot fully explain everything. Love and lust are two different things, lust is a desire for the body, love is not.

My evidence has more evidence. Durr.

So what do you love in a person? Nothing more than what is manifested by their ego, a la brain. Lust simply refers to a sexual interest with the primary concern being in the genitals whereas love is lust+long-term interest. Something of a companionship coupled with lust.

Lust can be without love, but love can not be without lust. Lust is the catalyst.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - no - 08-15-2015 11:32 AM

(08-15-2015 11:21 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Lust can be without love, but love can not be without lust.

Families are imaginary! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!


RE: Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 11:35 AM

(08-15-2015 11:32 AM)no Wrote:  
(08-15-2015 11:21 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Lust can be without love, but love can not be without lust.

Families are imaginary! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Incest ftw.

Actually love can be without lust. Course then it depends on what kind of love. It's all wordy. Whatever.

Long live the machinekind. I await their superior reign.(more likely just to have a valid reason to revolt and shoot em up with all that messy blood and nasty smell)


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 11:36 AM

You are forgetting that some people cannot feel lust for others (asexuals) Love can exist without lust, you must argue that love for a friend, one's child, and pet has lust involved. Love is from the heart, I love a person for them, there is no seeking to possess the body. Lust is a craving to satisfy yourself, so it can't be love at all, (unless you are confusing lust for sexual celebration) love is based on seeking another's well being and happiness, however lust can become love, after it dies.


Contagious Pessimism - Ky - 08-15-2015 11:37 AM

No, I didn't have the option to rename it - can't edit the content other people's posts in most subforums, see.

Also, can confirm - am asexual.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 11:39 AM

So you are asexual huh?


Contagious Pessimism - Ky - 08-15-2015 11:45 AM

Indeed. Heteroromantic, though.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 11:46 AM

I thought I was the only one, I fall on the grey asexual scale.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 12:40 PM

Im straight romantic sexual. Kinda like normal...but a little more extra. Probably.

What is this heteromantic?


Contagious Pessimism - Ky - 08-15-2015 12:54 PM

Not heteromantic, lol - hetero-romantic. I'm attracted to those of the opposite gender in a purely romantic sense; despite this, however, I am asexual.


RE: Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 01:07 PM

What silly language. I refuse to say ro-ro. So redundant.

What is romantic defined as? Im attracted to opposite sex romantically too but romance also includes a variety of physical activities (not just dat baby making.)


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 01:15 PM

I define romance as first being a warm fantasy trip , than later becoming a possessive matter, or sometimes a gold faced reality based on seeing another human and not an object. Asexual DOES NOT mean no physical (sexual) activity will be involved, that's a common misconception, asexual just means the lack of sexual attraction towards people.


Contagious Pessimism - brainiac3397 - 08-15-2015 02:13 PM

If you're not sexually attracted, how do you have sexual activity? Is it like a chore? Something to just get over with?


Contagious Pessimism - Ky - 08-15-2015 02:15 PM

Depends on the person. Some just, well, don't.

Others do it to make their partners happy. Still others just want kids...


RE: Contagious Pessimism - Cianna200 - 08-15-2015 07:10 PM

Yeah what Doa said, sexual attraction is not the only reason people have sex, some asexuals have sex cause sex is pleasurable for them too.


Contagious Pessimism - Dead - 08-15-2015 07:16 PM

Cianna200 Wrote:Yeah what Doa said, sexual attraction is not the only reason people have sex, some asexuals have sex cause sex is pleasurable for them too.

Okay, I kind of thought that all these labels were kind of weird, but you've completely lost me here.