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The problem with school - put your sound on! - Trekkie_Aspie - 02-17-2014 11:22 PM






The problem with school - put your sound on! - James Comey - 02-18-2014 01:54 AM

This video is sadly spot on.

I agree. It's important, especially in elementary, for schools to build positive behavior and positive habits. However, we're all taught how to act like mindless drones. It may seem cute and harmless, but imagine 10, 20, 30, 40 years into the future, and see where they are at that point.


The problem with school - put your sound on! - Trekkie_Aspie - 02-19-2014 02:41 PM

Exactly. And 'following rules because they are rules' is a morally horrible position. 1)See the Nurermberg defence, 2)It implies you agree with segregation.


RE: The problem with school - put your sound on! - James Comey - 02-19-2014 02:47 PM

(02-19-2014 02:41 PM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  Exactly. And 'following rules because they are rules' is a morally horrible position. 1)See the Nurermberg defence, 2)It implies you agree with segregation.



The problem with school - put your sound on! - Trekkie_Aspie - 02-21-2014 02:18 PM

Bump!


The problem with school - put your sound on! - James Comey - 02-21-2014 05:04 PM

Surprised this isn't getting a lot of posts considering this is a problem with school-as-it-is.


The problem with school - put your sound on! - Gwedin - 02-21-2014 05:36 PM

* Gwedin just can't be assed watching the video. =/


The problem with school - put your sound on! - Trekkie_Aspie - 03-02-2014 02:24 AM

bump


RE: The problem with school - put your sound on! - xcriteria - 03-02-2014 02:41 AM

This could be very effective adapted to address school scenarios in particular.

As Justin Schwamm writes about on his blog, very often, teachers end up feeling like students when it comes to interacting their their superiors, while continuing to treat students as the inferior party. That's what I thought of, reflecting on this video.

This recent thread comes to mind, about the messages people send and receive with their words and actions, that they might not be conscious of.

Different Kinds of Messages (post linked there.)

Quote:

"As teenagers, as students in factory-model schools, they’re used to being at the i]bottom[/i] of a hierarchy, and when you’re at the bottom, you get told and you get messages. You may not like those messages; in fact, you probably hate it when Ms. X yells and labels or Some Power storms and threatens, but you’re used to being on the receiving end of messages. ”Take those notes!” yells Ms. X, “Because this will be on the test.” And everybody knows that means Ms. X wants her words repeated, her thoughts reproduced. To take responsibility, even ownership, when it comes to your own words and actions? To think about the messages you’re sending? That’s a much larger paradigm shift than it might seem."

And that gets at the question of how people can disrupt that cycle of copying-and-repeating the actions of others, mindlessly. The ad above suggested that parents model more positive actions, but what if they don't know of any? The kids on the receiving end are rather young, but they still have the potential to step back and ask "why," and perhaps find some other examples of how to be. (That's much easier in a media-saturated, interconnected world, than without.)

One of the key skills I see in how to disrupt those patterns is for people to learn how to ask questions and have meaningful conversations. Why are we doing this? Why do you do that? And, not in a way that implies accusation and shaming, but with a genuine desire to understand underlying intention (if any), and where people's ways of being came from in the first place.

Any thoughts on that, or how to do that?


RE: The problem with school - put your sound on! - xcriteria - 03-02-2014 02:47 AM

(02-21-2014 05:36 PM)Gwedin Wrote:  * Gwedin just can't be assed watching the video. =/

This is a comment issue that blocks learning and communicating. What can we do to better motivate watching and discussing various things?

In short, if people can, outside of school, manage and demonstrate alternative ways to actually do learning, communicating, and building things... there's hope for changing or doing away with traditional education.

If not, people will maintain their beliefs that you need factory-model control, assignment, and tests, because otherwise people will sit around and do nothing, or only engage in mindless entertainment. Unfortunately, school itself tends to promote that split between "effort" being something you do because you're forced to, and "freedom" being relaxation and avoiding anything that seems to require effort.

Sometimes effort is worth it, though... as is learning to switch between modes of engaging in longer text or videos, or writing, and short-form interaction like chatting or (some times of) game play. I have trouble switching between modes too, sometimes. One more thing school-as-usual designed help people get better at, since so many things are defined by externally-imposed schedules, structures, and assignments.


RE: The problem with school - put your sound on! - Superkamiguru - 01-27-2017 10:07 PM

(02-19-2014 02:47 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  
(02-19-2014 02:41 PM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  Exactly. And 'following rules because they are rules' is a morally horrible position. 1)See the Nurermberg defence, 2)It implies you agree with segregation.