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Suicide: A Coward's Death - Miller0700 - 12-14-2010 10:34 AM

Agree or disagree?


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Spades - 12-14-2010 10:38 AM

I don't know, I am mixed on the subject. On one hand, I don't really agree with it, but I wouldn't say its the path of cowards. I think I'll take a shot at it though.

I disagree because it takes some serious stones to actually go through with it, I'm not saying that suicide is just; I think it to be a very selfish course of action, but I wouldn't say it is cowardly either.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - The Desert Fox - 12-14-2010 11:14 AM

I used to think that suicide was alright.

Then my cousin offed himself.

Never thought the same way again.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - AWOL - 12-14-2010 11:15 AM

I used to think suicide was stupid and selfish.


Then I realize that's what people are and personal gain is the only thing that really matters.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Jesusaurisrex - 12-14-2010 11:20 AM

why suicide when you can fuck shit up?


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - HeartofShadows - 12-14-2010 01:04 PM

Its a person's life and they can do whatever they want with it whether they live it or end it who gives a shit about titles that only have meaning to the living whether they be heroic or cowardly a corpse doesn't care for those.

Its easy to be selfish and try to force someone to live life through some speech you give them because it'll hurt others but a real close person gives them the thick and thin about how life has its ups and downs and gives the final choice to said person.

Now if I wanted to kill myself I would an hero and do something awesome like blow up some walmarts or something.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Rebelnerd - 12-14-2010 01:34 PM

I wouldn't call it cowardly, but I would definitely call it irrational and really stupid.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - vonunov - 12-14-2010 01:50 PM

What I most commonly hear from people is either that suicide is a deliberate coward's way out or that it's a deliberately brave way out. In some few cases it may be deliberate, but for the most part, suicide is actually the product of immense psychological trauma or stress resulting in the delusional, often unconscious, conclusion that death is the only way to end the pain. This is why, despite my other beliefs regarding individual rights, I don't believe that a suicidal person should be let alone to do what they will; they more often than not are not of sound mind and cannot make a truly beneficial decision for themselves.

I'm against suicide in most cases, not because I think I have any right to anyone's life, but because it's almost always not a rational decision. For the same reason, I don't blame a successful suicide for the grieving survivors or other results of their action.

Sources:
1. This one book I read one time and can't remember the title of pp. x-y


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - HeartofShadows - 12-14-2010 02:06 PM

I understand your point of view Jack but I believe in something called taking responsibility for your own actions even if its not rational and there are people who death would be preferable to their lives.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - vonunov - 12-14-2010 02:25 PM

I get what you mean. I'm really undecided on whether one should be physically stopped from committing suicide. I'm certainly not against any amount of trying to convince the person not to do it, but I may never be sure of what measures we should feel entitled to take beyond that.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - AWOL - 12-14-2010 03:14 PM

I don't believe there is a single human being in the world that can be considered of a sound mind. All your choices are irrational.


Why do we have to make such a fuss over this one, considering that it's a decidedly personal choice.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Mondasin - 12-15-2010 02:00 AM

Depends on your definition of suicide.
If you see it as a cowardly way to get away from all ones problems and commitements, then yes that is cowardly.
If you see it as, each person has control over themselves and if they can not handle how their life is, or how they fit into this world, then why shouldn't they be able to end their torment?
What about people who are suffering from an incurable disease, and just want to end the pain? Are they cowardly for ending it early, saving time, money and suffering.

but like I said, it is all about your definition of suicide.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Elfy - 12-15-2010 08:56 AM

Suicide is only speeding up the inevitable, we will all come to that same fate so ultimately, it doesn't matter. A dead body doesn't care if its death was cowardly or not, and even so, we do not know what happens after death anyway.

However, the world and life itself is fascinating and there is so much to learn and do, I would prefer that I live it rather than not. Even though we won't remember, I live for now and look forward to what death may bring.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Draculimortis - 12-15-2010 09:22 AM

I don't agree. People say things like "Only cowards do that, you're weak if you kill yourself", "God has a plan for you", "It'll get better", and "Your selfish for even thinking that, what will your family say/think/do?"
I don't think it's cowardly to kill yourself, I think you're smart if you do. Would you rather live in extreme poverty for the rest of your life or just end it? The world would be a better place if people like Seung-Hui Cho could just take themselves out if they want.
Not everyone is a Christian, why would they care?
How do you know it'll get better?
I think the family is somewhat selfish if they want the person to be alive when they don't want to.
If I saw someone trying to commit suicide, I would just say "Are you really, really sure? and walk away. I would never try to prevent someone's suicide attempt.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - vonunov - 12-15-2010 09:32 AM

I would ask if they're sure, yes. I would also ask why. I would pick apart their reasons, challenge their assumptions, and suggest alternatives. I would do everything I can either to convince them not to do it or to help them determine that it really is the best thing for them, but in the end it's not my place to physically stop them.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Miller0700 - 12-15-2010 12:55 PM

Jack Wrote:What I most commonly hear from people is either that suicide is a deliberate coward's way out or that it's a deliberately brave way out. In some few cases it may be deliberate, but for the most part, suicide is actually the product of immense psychological trauma or stress resulting in the delusional, often unconscious, conclusion that death is the only way to end the pain. This is why, despite my other beliefs regarding individual rights, I don't believe that a suicidal person should be let alone to do what they will; they more often than not are not of sound mind and cannot make a truly beneficial decision for themselves.

I'm against suicide in most cases, not because I think I have any right to anyone's life, but because it's almost always not a rational decision. For the same reason, I don't blame a successful suicide for the grieving survivors or other results of their action.

Sources:
1. This one book I read one time and can't remember the title of pp. x-y


True


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - genuine anarchist - 12-15-2010 04:25 PM

A coward's death? Tell that to the samurai who performed sepakuku, or suicide. They preferred killing themselves to be taken in by the enemy or being defeated. To them, that was honor, and surrendering was a cowardly choice.

Funny how different things are from the Christian viewpoint.

Sorry to sound pretentious, I'm just fed up with the Catholic bullshit I've been listening to for years. Sadly, I've attempted suicide. The first time was really just an attention stunt, so I don't think that counts. The second time, I tried to hang myself, but my brother came in and tackled me, holding me down until I promised not to attempt it again. I was an extremely moodly 14 year old, and he was actually stronger than me. I wanted to escape responsibility and honestly felt that no one gave a shit, so what was the point living if I didn't mean anything? My brother's interference helped and forced me to think things over and take control of my life.

I wouldn't call suicide cowardly, but in most cases, it is irrational. Random fact: some countries are charging for suicide crisis calls. People who just sit there and haven't actually dealt with real shit think it's so easy to not be suicidal, so they're quick to judge and assume it's something you can "get over." Suicide isn't rational, but being a sanctimonious dick about it doesn't help.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - AWOL - 12-15-2010 08:13 PM

genuine anarchist Wrote:sepakuku, or suicide.
None O_O Smile Laugh Rofl

Oh, I think I'm gonna shit myself laughing...


It's "seppuku" for one, and that's only regular suicide. The samurai committed harikiri (or "bowel cutting").


Sepakuku... Laugh


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Sociopath - 12-15-2010 09:12 PM

People may think its selfish to want to kill yourself, but you know whats ACTUALLY selfish? Forcing someone to live in torment just because they make you feel better about yourself.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - AWOL - 12-15-2010 09:53 PM

Sociopath Wrote:People may think its selfish to want to kill yourself, but you know whats ACTUALLY selfish? Forcing someone to live in torment just because they make you feel better about yourself.

Actually a pretty good point.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Miller0700 - 12-16-2010 09:54 AM

Sociopath Wrote:People may think its selfish to want to kill yourself, but you know whats ACTUALLY selfish? Forcing someone to live in torment just because they make you feel better about yourself.
Kind of agree with you, but this person could get some help. Its stupidity to just sit there and be tormented without getting some help to change that situation.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - The Desert Fox - 12-16-2010 10:21 AM

Sociopath Wrote:People may think its selfish to want to kill yourself, but you know whats ACTUALLY selfish? Forcing someone to live in torment just because they make you feel better about yourself.
So the person can't get any help? If they're obviously in pain and just want to die without even trying to make things better, that's fucking stupid.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - HeartofShadows - 12-16-2010 03:49 PM

Derchin Wrote:Kind of agree with you, but this person could get some help. Its stupidity to just sit there and be tormented without getting some help to change that situation.

Look at what help is nowadays.
Shrinks who give no rats ass about you and people who will mock and jeer you because they figure you want attention and even people who look at you all differently once they find out whether it be through fear or disgust. Some people aren't as pathetic as to suicide over attention.
Lets not forget about the good old drugs they put you on too. Smile

The Desert Fox Wrote:So the person can't get any help? If they're obviously in pain and just want to die without even trying to make things better, that's fucking stupid.

People try sometimes(least some do) desert but they eventually exhaust their options.
Why live when you don't give a rats ass about love, family, careers, money or the like.

Some people are simply tired and just want sleep and peace.
I felt the same way in high school.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Sociopath - 12-16-2010 11:04 PM

The Desert Fox Wrote:
Sociopath Wrote:People may think its selfish to want to kill yourself, but you know whats ACTUALLY selfish? Forcing someone to live in torment just because they make you feel better about yourself.
So the person can't get any help? If they're obviously in pain and just want to die without even trying to make things better, that's fucking stupid.
Ah, good ol' TDF: assuming things I didn't even say! How DOES he do it...?


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - The Desert Fox - 12-16-2010 11:20 PM

Sociopath Wrote:
The Desert Fox Wrote:
Sociopath Wrote:People may think its selfish to want to kill yourself, but you know whats ACTUALLY selfish? Forcing someone to live in torment just because they make you feel better about yourself.
So the person can't get any help? If they're obviously in pain and just want to die without even trying to make things better, that's fucking stupid.
Ah, good ol' TDF: assuming things I didn't even say! How DOES he do it...?
I see you haven't changed a bit.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Sociopath - 12-16-2010 11:33 PM

I'm trying out this "reverse psychology" thing: I'm acting like you to show you just how faulty you are.

Now leave this thread, or I will shoot you with my plastic gun.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - The Desert Fox - 12-16-2010 11:47 PM

You're a funny guy.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - Sociopath - 12-17-2010 12:52 AM

LOL that's HILARIOUS, TDF.

TDF's pretty funny you guys.


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - LOON_ATTIC - 12-17-2010 10:23 AM

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+1


Re: Suicide: A Coward's Death - AWOL - 12-17-2010 02:15 PM

+1?

*checks forum*

+1.