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Mandatory community service - .Manicrose. - 11-02-2011 11:08 AM

In my school we're required to do three sessions of community service per year as a requirement for graduating, and tonight I was studying using some Constitution Flash Cards and one question caught my eye: "When a high school requires its students to perform mandatory community service, doesn't that violate the Thirteenth Amendment's prohibition against involuntary servitude?"

Obviously not, so I looked on the back of the card for the answer and all it said was that the Supreme Court considered this matter and decided that no, this requirement does not constitute involumtary servitude. But why? I know it's not slavery or anything but still...

And then of course there's the whole matter of it BEING TOTALLY FUCKING POINTLESS. Is it supposed to instill good values in us? Yeah that'll work. I'll totally want to do community service after I graduate after all the pleasant memories of being FORCED into it for four years. Thanks, high school!

Maybe it's just the fact that I've had some unfortunate experiences in the past, like being made to work at a soup kitchen type thing and get harrassed by this obviously mentally unstable guy. I also wasn't allowed to leave the kitchen so I had to just stand there and serve food while he leaned up against the counter. Fuuuuck.


RE: Mandatory community service - Absnt - 11-02-2011 11:14 AM

It is too slavery, in a sense. If you don't want to call it that, call it fucking servitude. Not NEARLY as bad as the serfs or the blacks had it, but slavery none the less. We are literally being forced to do work with no compensation and no choice in the matter. It's fucking bullshit.

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RE: Mandatory community service - Miller0700 - 11-02-2011 11:15 AM

We have to do twenty hours of community service at my school. It's a hassle to find a place to go to.


RE: Mandatory community service - UnschoolShqiponjë - 11-02-2011 11:31 AM

Not only is it forced work with no pay (that is all of school actually) it also makes people much less likely to go and do community service of their own free will.


RE: Mandatory community service - UltraRobot - 11-02-2011 11:31 AM

Community service is fucking retarded, and I hope the cockhole fuckhead moron who invented it died in the most horrible way possible or that he does if he's still alive. Are you paid for it? Nope. Are you forced to do it? Fuck yeah. You're forced to do work you won't be paid for, and that's motherfucking slavery. It doesn't instill any good values at all, and doesn't encourage you to help your community later. In fact, unless you're a completely brainwashed fucktard, you won't learn shit from it and you'll prefer being forced to listen to Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black for 6 hours than doing that community service bullshit.


RE: Mandatory community service - LOON_ATTIC - 11-02-2011 11:40 AM

Meh I think it's pretty shitty that it's mandatory to graduate. My school requires a total of 40 hours from grades 9 through 12, but someone got their diploma without doing community service, though they don't let you "WALK THE STAGE".

My experience was fine though, worked in a hospital soldering electrodes and shit, it was really relaxed. Although I had to wake up one hour earlier and leave one hour later it seemed to be much less exhausting than school.


RE: Mandatory community service - HeartofShadows - 11-02-2011 11:43 AM

Just using you guys as free labor.
I got through a program so I didn't need it and people I knew just lied about the community service hours(what retard works for free).


RE: Mandatory community service - .Manicrose. - 11-02-2011 12:35 PM

(11-02-2011 11:31 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  Not only is it forced work with no pay (that is all of school actually) it also makes people much less likely to go and do community service of their own free will.
Exactly my point.


RE: Mandatory community service - Efs - 11-02-2011 08:07 PM

Required community service?
Lolwut?
Oh you must live in America.


RE: Mandatory community service - Absnt - 11-02-2011 10:38 PM

(11-02-2011 08:07 PM)Efs Wrote:  Required community service?
Lolwut?
Oh you must live in America.

Yep. Land of the free.


RE: Mandatory community service - Aya - 11-03-2011 01:25 AM

It's not considered involuntary servitude because you're not legally required to graduate.


RE: Mandatory community service - SoulRiser - 11-03-2011 01:33 AM

But you are legally required to attend school...


RE: Mandatory community service - UnschoolShqiponjë - 11-03-2011 02:10 AM

(11-03-2011 01:33 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  But you are legally required to attend school...

Technically at 17 and 18 (when most graduate) the legal requirement to go to school isn't there anymore. I think.


RE: Mandatory community service - Aya - 11-03-2011 02:17 AM

(11-03-2011 01:33 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  But you are legally required to attend school...

Attendance is required, participation isn't. You can go to school every day and just sit in the office with a book for five hours and they can't do anything about it. As long as you're in the building, you're not a truant.


RE: Mandatory community service - gore goroth - 11-03-2011 02:33 AM

(11-03-2011 02:17 AM)Ayliana Wrote:  
(11-03-2011 01:33 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  But you are legally required to attend school...

Attendance is required, participation isn't. You can go to school every day and just sit in the office with a book for five hours and they can't do anything about it. As long as you're in the building, you're not a truant.

You gotta be in class, otherwise, your teacher will mark you absent.


RE: Mandatory community service - Aya - 11-03-2011 02:44 AM

absent =/= truant. If you can prove you were in the building you fulfilled your obligation to attend school.

Don't get me wrong: You do this and the school will throw you into either ISS or detention as means of coercing you to go to class and do your work. But as long as you stand your ground and refuse to work, there is nothing they can do about it.


RE: Mandatory community service - Efs - 11-03-2011 05:54 AM

Here's what I don't get...here you have to be at least 16 to drop out. I'm 16 now and I can drop out but I still cop shit from teachers and are forced to obey rules etc.


RE: Mandatory community service - HeartofShadows - 11-03-2011 06:02 AM

(11-03-2011 05:54 AM)Efs Wrote:  Here's what I don't get...here you have to be at least 16 to drop out. I'm 16 now and I can drop out but I still cop shit from teachers and are forced to obey rules etc.

Just in case the novelty is lost..
I meant that laws and statures are rigged to fuck over normal people.

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RE: Mandatory community service - Absnt - 11-03-2011 07:04 AM

^Exactly. Just because we aren't required to work doesn't mean we won't be fucking ourselves over. It's still a form of coercion. If you do, you're fucked, if you don't, you're fucked.


RE: Mandatory community service - UnschoolShqiponjë - 11-03-2011 07:47 AM

(11-03-2011 07:04 AM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  ^Exactly. Just because we aren't required to work doesn't mean we won't be fucking ourselves over. It's still a form of coercion. If you do, you're fucked, if you don't, you're fucked.

Yup and what with all the degrees you need to get a job that keeps you off the street.


RE: Mandatory community service - LOON_ATTIC - 11-03-2011 11:02 AM

(11-03-2011 02:44 AM)Ayliana Wrote:  absent =/= truant. If you can prove you were in the building you fulfilled your obligation to attend school.

Don't get me wrong: You do this and the school will throw you into either ISS or detention as means of coercing you to go to class and do your work. But as long as you stand your ground and refuse to work, there is nothing they can do about it.

Are you sure? I think people at my school said not going to class is TRUANCY. And I think they violated some California shit. Maybe I should sue them Evillaugh


RE: Mandatory community service - Horrid Dreamer - 11-15-2011 11:01 PM

(11-02-2011 08:07 PM)Efs Wrote:  Required community service?
Lolwut?
Oh you must live in America.

Wait, you DON'T have to do manditory community service?
I just did some last week...


RE: Mandatory community service - Stadium - 11-16-2011 05:28 AM

By the time I can drop out I will have graduated already. Depressing.


RE: Mandatory community service - brainiac3397 - 06-02-2017 03:39 PM

The irony of a punishment by the court for minor crimes also being a requirement by schools for "educational purposes"