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What does the have to fear? - Zombie - 01-22-2008 10:37 AM

Pain is to tell us when something is harmfull, but a spirit cant die, nor harmed, so how could satan toture us. how could anything bad happen to a lifeless soul. and if there is no bad people to fear, then whats the point of heaven and hell?

Re: What does the have to fear? - Cosbydaf - 01-22-2008 10:39 AM

Zombie Wrote:Pain is to tell us when something is harmfull, but a spirit cant die, nor harmed, so how could satan toture us. how could anything bad happen to a lifeless soul. and if there is no bad people to fear, then whats the point of heaven and hell?

How do you know a spirit can't be harmed? Not that I believe in Hell but still, there's really no way of knowing.

- thewake - 01-22-2008 11:18 PM

There's a Hell, there's a Hell. And a spirit may not be able to harmed, but the Bible says a new body able to withstand Hellfire but will still feel the fire will be fashioned for sinners.

So in a way, I have pwned you.

- Liquid - 01-23-2008 04:46 AM

Satan and his followers can only affect us while we are alive. At the day of judgment, The ones that had died will get their bodies back and come back to life and rise from the earth to heaven (temporarily). All the angles(cherubs, serifs, "living creatures," demons) and humans that ever lived will be gathered together in heaven and everything they ever did will come to light. All the angles who fell will be thrown into hell. The entire human race fell but the ones who accepted God's Son as a substitute will be spared because their punishment has all ready been paid for. In hell the rest of the human race will pay the price of every wrong thing they ever did.

Also remember that the people in hell will get their body back just like the people in heaven... so the pain would be the same as it would feel right now, if it would be possible to feel it now. It won't be Satan causing it either, he will be punished there with all the people and angles he caused to fall with him.


*EDIT* I saw an "s" missing at the end of a word....

- thewake - 01-23-2008 04:50 AM

That pretty much sums it up, big words though.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-23-2008 09:35 AM

there is no such thing as hell, or a soul.

- thewake - 01-24-2008 08:07 AM

I could argue with you about it for my entire life and we'd get nowhere, but there is a Hell and I know even more so there's a Soul.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-24-2008 08:08 AM

evidence, pass it up

- thewake - 01-24-2008 08:09 AM

I don't have physical evidence only the testimony of fellow people.

Can you prove they don't exist?

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-24-2008 08:13 AM

to this point there has been no physical evedence of a place calld hell or a soul, or energy evidence. msot people say" well most felt it in my soul" when your in a high energy environment or are deprived of something like sleep or have a malfunction in the brain,ect blah blah blah this can alter your perception of reality, and when you die your brain releases DMT wich is a powerfull powerful wich causes visions,noises,ect.

- thewake - 01-24-2008 08:15 AM

That's nice.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-24-2008 08:18 AM

now whats your evidence of hell/soul?

- thewake - 01-24-2008 08:23 AM

I have no physical evidence and the "evidence" I present will probably be disregarded by you, but I have in a way "felt it". I've felt a lot of things. A lot of things. Every time I go to church I feel something.
The first thing I felt was a deep fear though, and that fear was fear of Hell. I don't expect you to understand, and I can't right describe these feelings fully in words but I know they are proof.

But just so you know, just because there is no Scientifically canonical evidence to support these spiritual matters doesn't mean that counts them out. As far as I know there is none to disprove them either.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-24-2008 08:27 AM

Quote:Every time I go to church I feel something.
The first thing I felt was a deep fear though, and that fear was fear of Hell. I don't expect you to understand, and I can't right describe these feelings fully in words but I know they are proof.

Ive had that fear when i used to go to Church,i mean nobody wants to be told about a place where your tortured for the simplest things, but once again in a high power environment ,that could alter your mind. to you its proof,to me it isn't. but for the sake of the argument lets say it is proof, then proof there is a god along with that.

- thewake - 01-24-2008 09:01 AM

It wasn't a mindset, it was more of an emotion.

I dreaded the thought of dieing and going to Hell in and out of Church.
I felt it whole intervals between Church and I have 2 weeks between each service. It's not a medieval frightening tactic. Those were more of a horror movie to the people who heard them. They described the horrors in a detailed way but I see none of that in my Church. A good theory to be sure, but I feel it has fallen somewhat short.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-24-2008 09:02 AM

things can become ingrande into your mind, liek the beleif in god

- thewake - 01-24-2008 09:07 AM

I doubt, in my mind, every so often. I think:
"What if God really isn't real? What if the world really is what Science says?" But then I remember what Science doesn't answer that religion, especially Christianity and it's forerunner Judaism, has been answering since the dawn of man.
That question, I sadly, cannot describe with the English or probably any other language.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-24-2008 09:09 AM

because back then there was very little science and understanding in the average human

- SoulRiser - 01-25-2008 04:10 AM

Quote:"There's no God, you can't prove it."

"Yes there is, you can't disprove it."

There might or might not be one, and you can't prove it either way Laugh

And yeah, all that hell stuff creeped me out as well for a long time. But not in a good way. It didn't evoke any good feelings whatsoever in me, so eventually I just shrugged it off. I don't care about hell or afterlife things, if they exist, great, but if not, I'm going to do what I think is best either way, regardless of whatever "rewards" may or may not exist. They shouldn't affect what I do with my life.

- Guest - 01-25-2008 05:39 AM

therenagadeoffunk Wrote:things can become ingrande into your mind, liek the beleif in god
Also like the belief that there is no God.

- i-am-the-liquor - 01-25-2008 05:44 AM

indeed.

- Guest - 01-25-2008 06:03 AM

Quote:There might or might not be one, and you can't prove it either way
There is, it just depends on what premises you accept as true. For example, from a scientific perspective, God could be proved* to exist if there were long-term studies on phenomena that could only be acts of God.

*Nothing can be proved. I used proved to mean "the thing that currently is the best match for the data."

Re: What does the have to fear? - Colin - 02-16-2008 01:30 PM

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2415000
MY response to this. Objection style.

Re: What does the have to fear? - Zombie - 02-21-2008 11:14 AM

Im saying, whats the point of all these rules that "god" made, and with heaven and hell? Whats the point? if we cant be harmed, how come we fear Satan? how come god kicks him out of heaven and sends him to hell? Pain cannot be endured by spirits, because pain is essential for survival, and survival only. But a spirit does not have a living body, and therefor has no need for all these survival functions. Just as a spirit would have no gender, cause they have no need to reproduce.

All the things said about spirits in the bible, I just don't see a point in.

So like I said before. Whats the point? You guys are debating whether or not the bible is real. while I am presenting my argument to that debate. This thread was not meant to discuss the entire debate, but to discuss my one argument.

Re: What does the have to fear? - SoulRiser - 02-21-2008 09:32 PM

Maybe there's some sort of spiritual pain... since physical pain would make no sense like you said.

Re: What does the have to fear? - monkey - 03-31-2008 07:42 AM

God just dosent exist. thats all i can really say without going on for hours maybe l8tr

Re: What does the have to fear? - thewake - 04-01-2008 12:17 AM

Zombie Wrote:Im saying, whats the point of all these rules that "god" made, and with heaven and hell? Whats the point? if we cant be harmed, how come we fear Satan? how come god kicks him out of heaven and sends him to hell? Pain cannot be endured by spirits, because pain is essential for survival, and survival only. But a spirit does not have a living body, and therefor has no need for all these survival functions. Just as a spirit would have no gender, cause they have no need to reproduce.

All the things said about spirits in the bible, I just don't see a point in.

So like I said before. Whats the point? You guys are debating whether or not the bible is real. while I am presenting my argument to that debate. This thread was not meant to discuss the entire debate, but to discuss my one argument.
You realize even though what you have said may be true to a point in the Bible it says you will have a body made for you when you go to Hell. One that can withstand the heat for all eternity so that you can feel the burning forever too.

Re: What does the have to fear? - randyhart - 04-01-2008 08:21 PM

What sort of God would hold a Gun in one hand and a bowl of Oreo biscuits in the other?, It doesnt make sense. No "Loving God" would damn people for all eternity because they don't get down on their knees for him.

If I do Die and I'm wrong I can tell you: All My friends will be in Hell and most of the celebrities that are awesome, I'll be sticking My melting hot Middle fingers up at Heaven. I'd rather spend eternity there than a place filled with Bigots,Reformed Serial Killers,Evangelicals and Westboro Baptist Church.

`Better to Reign in Hell than Serve in Heaven'-Paradise Lost

Re: What does the have to fear? - thewake - 04-01-2008 10:14 PM

Let me tell you something. God is an omnipotent being. He isn't some "guy in the sky" or anything. He is all knowing and all powerful god.

Now, wouldn't you want to trust, and possibly learn from, your very creator. Not to mention the fact he has infinite wisdom.

Besides, I like Oreos a lot better than headshots with a gun. Because if God would use a gun, he'd make headshots.

Re: What does the have to fear? - liq3 - 04-01-2008 11:19 PM

Zombie Wrote:Pain is to tell us when something is harmfull, but a spirit cant die, nor harmed, so how could satan toture us. how could anything bad happen to a lifeless soul. and if there is no bad people to fear, then whats the point of heaven and hell?
Satan doesn't exist. Makes it hard for him to torture us. Heaven nor hell exist. Yes, I'm incredibly anti-Christian (the religion, not the people who believe it).

P.S. Who edited my post? ...Oh wait, it's more censorship stuff. Religion!