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Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - the forgotten - 08-18-2008 02:27 AM

Let me begin by saying I'm adopted, it's a wonderful thing really, I plan on adopting when i get older, because some people really are stupid, and insist on having children.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - SoulRiser - 08-18-2008 02:37 AM

I know a couple of intelligent people who insist on having children... but nobody's perfect... :>_>:


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Kitteneater - 08-18-2008 05:35 AM

cryptevah72 Wrote:idk though, it seems logical but then i know ppl who have loved ones like that...
Well then you ask yourself: would you rather force someone to live through long days of pain and suffering, or would you rather let someone die respectfully, when it's known that they will inevitably die. I'd think mercy would be in letting one die, than in living a state of confusion and suffering. It definitely is a thing of perspective, but if I had to choose between not having children, and allowing the inevitable to happen naturally, I'd choose the latter.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - thedarkmind - 08-18-2008 11:18 AM

this is a good idea and everything but there arent enough people smart enough to follow this idea to make it viable. eventually the chinese will die out if they follow their current population trend. the solution for overpopulation is predators, disease, or war and starvation.the situation in africa could be solved with a noncorrupt government(if there were such a thing) or if we simply stopped supporting them. the main reason they are having 40 000 children die of starvation every year is the fact that they breed like rabbits constantly increasing the number of children they cannot support dragging them into worse poverty and starvation than they were already in. if we shipped them a billion condoms(or other birth control) it would be much more helpful than giving them just food.also if we stopped supporting them then there would be less starving children anyway and they would have to deal with their own problems as opposed to depending on our aid.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - cryptevah72 - 09-02-2008 12:45 PM

actually, i see alot of logic in that...

Kitteneater Wrote:Well then you ask yourself: would you rather force someone to live through long days of pain and suffering, or would you rather let someone die respectfully, when it's known that they will inevitably die. I'd think mercy would be in letting one die, than in living a state of confusion and suffering. It definitely is a thing of perspective, but if I had to choose between not having children, and allowing the inevitable to happen naturally, I'd choose the latter.
...i guess i'd have to agree, if i were like that, i'd definatley want to be let die. i guess a big part is that people have to stop obsessing over dieing, its a natural part of this world. its not like most people are particularily happy about life, so why be so sad about death?


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - ricepaperzen - 09-02-2008 12:54 PM

i'm for it as well, the truth is. I have a theory that that's why homosexuality was created, being a lesbian myself it's my way of realizing that we're not unnatural, just evolution.
things need to end, and they will weather or not humans except.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - cryptevah72 - 09-02-2008 01:17 PM

but does than mean that homosexuality will eventually drive the human race to extinction? (if its evolution?)

(well actually women can still reproduce even if men became extinct...)


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - thewake - 09-07-2008 03:33 AM

WTF! No they can't, you have to have both organs to make babies.

And I personally see this movement as cynical. I want to have a son someday, to carry on my family name and heritage and whatnot(I was the first son of an only son of a first son). Call me crazy, but I'm cool like that.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Gobinu - 09-08-2008 05:51 AM

Quote:I want to have a son someday...
Adopt one. After I've spent 1,5 month with my family (three kids) I prefer children on pictures.
Quote:WTF! No they can't, you have to have both organs to make babies.
I'd have to search it but I know that our balls are not as important as we think.
And after all u can always keep a few for sperm.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Squittle - 09-08-2008 06:03 AM

SoulRiser Wrote:This was mentioned in another topic, but I think it deserves its own thread...
http://www.vhemt.org/

Quote:"May we live long and die out"
Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.

Thoughts?

We could just have limits on the amount of kids a family can legally have... thus not cramming full foster homes and not emptying the Earth of us altogether.

Nonetheless, that's a great idea, and I support it, but too many humans won't take this seriously. Really, who wants to stop doing it? That's why I propose... wait for it...

RADIOACTIVE ZOMBIE TAKEOVER!!! Who's with me? Anyone?

Anyone? Feel free to stand up for what's awesome.

No one?


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - thewake - 09-13-2008 10:51 PM

Gobinu Wrote:
Quote:I want to have a son someday...
Adopt one. After I've spent 1,5 month with my family (three kids) I prefer children on pictures.
That kid wouldn't have my DNA, it wouldn't be the same. I'm not saying that I wouldn't want to adopt, but if I got married I would want me and my wife to have, at least, one kid.
It seems selfish (and it very well may be), but I want to let my lineage live on into the future. An extension of myself even.
Quote:
Quote:WTF! No they can't, you have to have both organs to make babies.
I'd have to search it but I know that our balls are not as important as we think.
And after all u can always keep a few for sperm.
That is freaky...


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - SoulRiser - 09-14-2008 01:16 AM

Quote:That kid wouldn't have my DNA, it wouldn't be the same. I'm not saying that I wouldn't want to adopt, but if I got married I would want me and my wife to have, at least, one kid.
It seems selfish (and it very well may be), but I want to let my lineage live on into the future. An extension of myself even.
DNA doesn't guarantee that kid will end up even remotely like you at all. And what if that kid you have decides not to have kids him/herself? Then your lineage isn't going very far. So you'd have to have at least 3 kids to increase your odds, and each of them would have to have more than one, and make them live in different places in case something happens to one of them in one area, so the others can be safe and more likely to keep your DNA going. Also, make sure none of them turn out gay. That'd be really bad for you. And you'd have to keep some of your sperm in a sperm bank just in case something happens to all your kids and you're already dead, so that someone else can make more people with your DNA. My point is basically that if you're going to plan out your lineage, you'd better not be half-assed about it.

And there was a lot of sarcasm involved in the making of this post. Razz


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - thewake - 09-14-2008 02:52 AM

Lol. I just want someone to carry on my torch. An heir, if you will.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - SoulRiser - 09-14-2008 04:41 AM

Epic lulz if your kid turns atheist. What then?


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - thewake - 09-21-2008 11:33 AM

My parents never did anything to me.
Although on time I was watching a documentary on evolution when I was, like, 5 and my parents made me change it and said evolution was bullhonkey. Nowadays I don't really care if evolution is real or not, or even if the account in Genesis is real or not.
The creation story serves a different purpose than getting in the way of scientific theories.

And if my kid turned atheist, I'd still make him go to church. I can't think of anything I could thank my parents more for than finally starting to go to church regularly when I was ten. For a long my my family was religiously divided. But that's another story for another post.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Trekkie_Aspie - 04-24-2009 03:39 AM

Remove blatantly obvious labels from the jars.
Don't listen to blatantly stupid lawsuits.
Problem solved.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - NowhereWoman - 04-24-2009 05:22 AM

I couldn't NOT have a child, since that's an experience in life that I've given a lot of thought to and decided that I wanted to do once I'm old enough and responsible and married.
I think that expecting everyone to stop reproducing is ridiculous. I mean, you can't take away people's right to use their bodies as they please(including having sex and creating a child).
There's the same problem with poplutation control.
Having TV shows with families of 18 children or more and glorifying that is stupid. Nobody can support that many children(unless they make a dumb TV show about it). I mean, sure, I don't think that ANYONE should have more than 5 kids(Octo mom, anyone?), unless they're living in some third world country where the infant death rate is STILL catastrophic.
Yes, I think that overpopulation of humans is a big problem.
But forbidding people from having children?
Involuntary sterilization?
Doesn't anyone notice how Fucking NAZI that sounds?
No, the solution to all our problems won't come with sterilization or not reproducing. The organization does seem pretty well-intentioned and it seems like they've thought this through, but...
No, I don't think it would work.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Pieman - 04-24-2009 05:40 AM

Stop me if i missed anything important (Only skimmed) But in my opinion, this is just a small group of people too concerned on a smaller problem, and trying to do something that will most likely never work.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - AWOL - 04-24-2009 09:56 AM

Mangareadr, it was never involuntary, it's the VOLUNTARY Human Extinction Movement.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - classclown - 04-24-2009 12:40 PM

i watched a video that said something like this in ecology. i kinda laughed. the video said we needed to be like 3 billoin to 1 billoin in population. and i just thought maybe the well try to reseract hitler.

anyways its a stupid idea.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - monkey - 04-24-2009 03:54 PM

People like to fuck to much. You couldn't stop it, But I guess we could all just masturbate.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - NowhereWoman - 04-24-2009 05:39 PM

Mortalitas Wrote:Mangareadr, it was never involuntary, it's the VOLUNTARY Human Extinction Movement.

I know, I was talking about itisi's post earlier in the discussion about involuntary sterilization and I was just pointing out how ridiculous I thought that idea was. Guess I forgot to clarify that...


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - psychopath - 04-24-2009 07:31 PM

This will never happen. Those who volunteer will not pass on their genes, so traits that make people more likely to volunteer will eventually be eliminated. Think about it, only those who want to reproduce will do so, meaning that the type of person who volunteers will almost always be rare.

The people that don't volunteer will pass on their culture and genes to their children, and this culture and genes will likely make sure that the children will also reproduce.

Anyway, I would prefer it if there were less of us and if we didn't grow so unsustainably, but extinction? no


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Lovey - 01-20-2010 01:07 PM

Edit until I check something.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Loxor - 01-20-2010 01:08 PM

We'd have much of a lasting effect on this world, die out or not.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Lovey - 01-20-2010 02:11 PM

Edit is gone again. Argh. Sorry.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Ceiling Cat - 01-21-2010 12:45 AM

Large bump, but I support the idea. It would do miracles if we couldn't reproduce more than once for a few decades.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - HeartofShadows - 01-21-2010 01:00 AM

Human extinction may be a tad extreme but the numbers could be whittled down somewhat.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Absnt - 01-21-2010 08:13 AM

The population problem, at this point is out of control in my opinion. I read some statistics that say in like twenty years or so our population will double. 12 billion? Fuck that. Next time you go to a crowded wall mart or crowded beach picture that doubled. Tired of corn? Double that. Starvation, doubled. Poverty will worsen, people won't be able to find homes. Disease will spread at an alarming rate. New diseases will pop up everywhere. Ebola scares the shit out of me. In my opinion we need to deal with the population problem, and soon.

The Chinese only allow one child to be born per family. Chinese culture is involved in spreading there heritage with male children. When people started having daughters they killed them and tried for a boy. This is still happening today. The boy/girl ration is ridiculous. There are far to many boys and 5/1 guys in China won't be able to find a mate. What will this result in?
1. More prostitution.
2. Homosexuality
3. Eventually a much less dense Chinese population.

It is terribly inhumane and many girls in China are being treated like shit.
But if we stop the anti-population work China is doing then we will have to replace it with something more humane which likely won't work.

India is catching up to China and is expected to pass them in population soon.

I may sound harsh but unfortunately we may have to let China do it's thing and possibly follow there lead. Of course we would have to deal with cultural issues to ensure boy/girl ratios remain logical. Also we will have to make sure we don't go around inhumanely sterilizing people and aborting 9 month pregnant babies like China is doing now but were ganna have to do something.

I think.

Besides I'm not sure I wan't to be alive with 12 billion people on our planet.

Also I strongly believe we need to spread out past the earth onto other planets and inhabit space but that'll be in the future.

I think this is going to be hard to read/understand but I don't feel like rewriting it right now so I hope you get what I'm saying XD.


Re: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Lovey - 01-23-2010 02:25 AM

I have typed this thing three goddamn times. They have been huge posts. I even did some research. But I cannot say it like I want to. So, in short:

Quote:This was mentioned in another topic, but I think it deserves its own thread...
http://www.vhemt.org/

Quote:
"May we live long and die out"
Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.


Thoughts?

If you are serious about this, fuck you. Just, fuck you. That was the essence of my post. It is quite literally not worth my time and effort to make another long fcking post, because people are working to fix this. You guys can sit there and talk and cry and stare into your navels and finger your guns all you want, some people (not me, don't get me wrong) are trying to clean up the human race, clean up their messes, and make it so we can live here nicely. You guys have fun being useless while the rest of the world gets their act together.