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The School Survival Forums are permanently retired. If you need help with quitting school, unsupportive parents or anything else, there is a list of resources on the Help Page.

To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.

I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.

I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.

I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.

Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.

Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.

-SoulRiser

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Sad I did something bad during Sports Day and I think I'll get excluded from school.
Posted by: Marlena403 - 06-24-2017 10:55 PM - Replies (11)

Yesterday, it was Sports Day. I touched my Form Tutor three times after being told not to.

The first time was when we were taking a class picture, I touched her hip. Everyone had to squeeze, so I couldn't move my hand away from her hip.

The second time was during tug of war. I touched her arm and stepped on her foot.

The third time was after soccer. I was standing in between my Form Tutor and my co-tutor and touched my Form Tutor's elbow. I didn't touch my co-tutor though.

All three were accidents. The first time I touched her yesterday was inappropriate. I felt uncomfortable and I bet my Form Tutor felt the same way. When we were taking a class picture, she had to keep quiet, so even if she wanted to tell me to stop, she couldn't.

And what if my Pastoral Leader sees the picture? What if I get permanently excluded for touching my Form Tutor's hip? And what if my Form Tutor gets in trouble? I was planning to tell my Pastoral Leader about it because when I tell her before someone else does, I usually get in less trouble.

What should I do? I don't want to get excluded.

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Sad I did something bad during Sports Day and I think I'll get excluded from school.
Posted by: Marlena403 - 06-24-2017 10:38 PM - No Replies

Yesterday, it was Sports Day. I touched my Form Tutor three times after being told not to.

The first time was when we were taking a class picture, I touched her hip. Everyone had to squeeze, so I couldn't move my hand away from her hip.

The second time was during tug of war. I touched her arm and stepped on her foot.

The third time was after soccer. I was standing in between my Form Tutor and my co-tutor and touched my Form Tutor's elbow. I didn't touch my co-tutor though.

All three were accidents. The first time I touched her yesterday was inappropriate. I felt uncomfortable and I bet my Form Tutor felt the same way. When we were taking a class picture, she had to keep quiet, so even if she wanted to tell me to stop, she couldn't.

And what if my Pastoral Leader sees the picture? What if I get permanently excluded for touching my Form Tutor's hip? And what if my Form Tutor gets in trouble? I was planning to tell my Pastoral Leader about it because when I tell her before someone else does, I usually get in less trouble.

What should I do? I don't want to get excluded.

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  Short animation about how school drains us.
Posted by: Avatar Korra - 06-22-2017 09:36 AM - Replies (4)



Watch on YouTube
I found this a few hours ago.
It basically shows how school takes our "wings" away.
I wasn't expecting to see so many fellow anti-schoolers in the comments, but they ended up being the majority. <3

Then there were comments like this:

Quote:I go to high school and it really comes down to your attitude towards it. Even though stuff can be unnecessary we have to just deal with it.That's life, like I said, life is unfair. Just try to enjoy high school while you still can because once you're out of it, life only gets harder.

It would be awesome if we could all just change our mindsets in order to "enjoy" anything that violates our rights. Then we could be tranquil, even under the most tyrannical dictatorship. Though, that would require restricting everything that can give life meaning: Individual goals, having likes and dislikes, freedom, exploration and fun. When big faults in society are exposed(slavery, discrimination, abuse, etc) people come together to fight against it, so why is school the one system where "just change your perspective" is a valid way to deal with it?(Changing for an unjust society instead of just fixing the society)

This reminds of what The Analogist replied in one of my old threads:
(02-06-2017 01:43 PM)the Analogist Wrote:  "you've stumbled upon the most pervasive unwritten precept of psychology: 'society is just fine'

people who come to see psychological abberations as being created by various institutions in society tend to gravitate away from psychology since the locust of various problems are not found within individuals. they go towards political science or various counter culture groups offering solutions to societal problems. such people seem to remain outside of the purview of mainstream psychology.

thats why people who study education DONT hear much about John Holt or Dan Greemberg."

Changing one's attitude can be useful for short term sanity, but is not a realistic way of dealing with institutions that are inherently problematic.
Most of the more school-positive comments would make more sense if schools were non compulsory and it was not expected for us to do things exactly the way teachers dictate. Then, people interested in those subjects and who personally enjoy more structure could attend. I've heard of unschoolers who chose to go to school(I don't know how long they stayed though).

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  I can't hate school enough
Posted by: Sunflower - 06-21-2017 09:52 AM - Replies (7)

Really! The teacher give you boring lectures and make the subject hell for you when teachers are supposed to be inspiring you with there own love of learning for this subject. Communication skill are hella important to be successful in life and in collage but schools discourages you from talking teachers tell the class to shut up and sit down so they can finish there boring lecture that no one really cares about. Half the students are on there phones while the teacher is lecturing so I assume that most of the students bs their homework too and just cram for the test the day(or minute) before the test just to survive. Cause that's basically what school is meant for, to survive there and try to get A like the competition in the hunger games! The ones who can sacrafice the most sleep and can cram the most effectually get A and the ones who value there sleep and health and communication skills and creativity don't do so well in this environment. And then they claim that you go to school to learn. To get an education so you can be successful in life when really by the time you graduate high school schools would have already turned you into an antisocial zombie whose only wants to survive through life(so they can retire) instead of enjoy it, and rely totally on other people to give them a job(etc, and end up living a miserable life cause school implied to us that to be happy you have to graduate high school, then collage then get a good job as an employe working for a good company. It makes sense that people who have F are(sadly and wrongly) outcasted by society(even if its implied) and that major truancy laws prevent you from ditching school too much! Common core is basically 21st century communism and stupid federal government has no place in our schools! Typically high schools see the fine arts as not as important than the core subjects(math, history, english, science) when a broader curriculum could help students find there passion and so students will find the less interesting subjects tolerable. I would rather go to prison then to a normal high school!

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  Spreading Awareness
Posted by: A Wild T-34 - 06-19-2017 12:04 PM - Replies (2)

Let's be honest, I believe 90% of this websites users want to change school for the good.So instead of staying here, let's spread outwards, start groups at your schools to promote alternatives, among other things.I for one am starting a discord for my local group of students inside schools to help spread awareness.I encourage everyone to do this,remember, the people inside the system can change it.

Maybe we can start connected alliances of these groups, while keeping each one independent.What I mean by this is we can all have a common goal.(stated above)Each group can individually do this goal in their own ways and with the alliance's way.(maybe we can have a flag for this alliance so if people want to join a group in their area and don't know about one, if they see the flag they will know)

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  "I dont know" should be acceptable
Posted by: the Analogist - 06-16-2017 02:18 PM - Replies (1)



Watch on YouTube

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  A girl swore at me for just going to my lesson
Posted by: Marlena403 - 06-14-2017 09:29 AM - Replies (12)

Yesterday when I was walking to science, that girl who used to be my fake friend told me to **** off for just going to my lesson. I yelled at her and told her that I need to go to my lesson and she told me to shut my mouth. I then asked her why she's not in her lesson and she told me that she doesn't want to go to her lesson. I told her that if she doesn't go to her lesson and leave me alone, I will tell the teacher. She told me that she will get rid of me from the school. I told her that she can't exclude me because she's not the Headteacher and she said that she will find a different way to get rid of me. I said "We'll see about that!" and she tried to fight me. I ran into AF17 (Science lab) despite the fact that the lesson was moved to E10 (Computer room). This was the only way I could save myself. I then went to my lesson and once again told the girl to go to her lesson.

The first person I told was my science teacher. She told my Director of Learning and my Pastoral Leader and told me to write a statement.

What do I do next time it happens?

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  SAT Scores, and theCancer continues to be wrong
Posted by: the Analogist - 06-12-2017 02:36 AM - Replies (17)

So I just learned something about this guy Stanley Kaplan, the guy whose name is on SAT test prep guides.

So the SAT was supposed to measure Scholastic Aptitude, but as he went through the process of figuring out what gaps needed filling in people's knowledge he started shining a bit spotlight on the fact that the test, by being studiable, does not actually measure aptitude. people started getting higher scores based on preparation suggesting that, if it were truly measuring your potential, these books plus some time were increasing your "innate potential", meaning whatever "potential" they measure is not innate.

the greatest evil the aristocrats commit is the labeling of people. we commit injustice to ourselves by accepting these labels. A, B, C, its all such bullshit, and everyone knows it. all they serve is a social function


also this

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fre...evelopment

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  7 ways to Maximize Misery
Posted by: the Analogist - 06-10-2017 07:03 PM - No Replies



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  to fresh highschool graduate niggaligs that received a VECTOR letter
Posted by: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - 06-09-2017 12:19 PM - Replies (5)

This is fer le future peeps that are might receive a letter from the company Vector. Now, this letter seems pretty cool. Summer friggin work enclosed. Yea thats pretty neat bruh. That summer work youre looking forward is a BIG PILE OF DOODOO.
You open that motherfucker up and you see this, customized in the area you livin in.
[Image: 20170608_153813_zpsotukania.jpg]
Basically a friggin scam for the majority of people that get this. There are lots of vids on this and threads discussed. The more you know about their scheme, the more you know they tell lies. They even have people backing them up on videos. Fake testimonials.



The majority of peeps won't buy into this. Because 1. they aint that sociopathic 2. cant afford the knives
oh yeah and these letters are sent out to just American kids, no surprise, fucking business shiet
and if ya wanna know who gave out your info, i would be looking at your counselors...

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  Poem. Idk
Posted by: FacemanPvP - 06-06-2017 04:42 AM - Replies (1)

My Poem.
I write with my hand
The Earth, The Sand
Reflects On My Hand
Ive Written This In My Time
With One Drawn Dime
The Lemon, The Lime
With Some Simple Time
This May Not Rhyme
I Have Proven Wrong
My Bells Not Ding Dong
This Isnt A Song
Or This May Not Be Long
Ive Proven Wrong.
Life Ahead Of Me
I Can't Feel The Tree
Or The Way I May Fee
So May Of Me
I Hate School
And If you like school ur a fool
because school sucks
and so does not giving one *****

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  Helping theCancer plan his lessons
Posted by: the Analogist - 05-31-2017 01:56 PM - Replies (1)

Awhile back I was fixated on starting my own school...

anyway, the basic idea I had for structuring time was this: that each student would be assigned a block of time and the purpose of that block was project management.

Everything in the sciences and humanities is best taught as projects. What kind of projects? Form a sound and reasoned/researched opinion.

I think for the purpose of theCancer, something a bit like my high school physics teacher's routine. He would put the equations up on the board, take a few minutes to explain what they mean then pass out the homework. The whole rest of class we were free to work on whatever so long as we we'rent too rowdy and he was free to talk about whatever, but real homework questions took precedence.

For theCancer's sake, it seems a bit more complex because humanities courses appear less straight forward that physics, but really the goal of every humanities subject, and all philosophy in general, is to be able to reason effectively. any subject is useful for that purpose so long as the academics of it don't become the main focus.

I suggest for the topic of history, create a list of things that happened relevant to what the class is supposed to be about. make it fairly inclusive, then pass this list out to everybody. Take a few minutes to explain that "these are the things people think are important about this time and place. Your job is to come up with something that is on this list or not on this list and tell me why you find it interesting. Each person will have a turn to speak with me one-on-one or if a group of you are interested in the same topic i can speak with your group about it. what we will be doing is figuring out how best to explore these interests. our textbook is here to mostly narrate these events but there is a lot of stuff missing so we might refer to it, we might not. What direction any of your projects go is something we will be discussing in these one-on-one or group meetings. everybody can take the rest of class to think about what they want to study and if they want to work with anybody else on it."

all history is connected and intertwined so maybe nosy school administrators wont take issue with this approach...

You don't need to tell them a single freaking thing about how they will be expected to write an original essay for their final. what you will be doing as a teacher is using your experience to figure out how they can go about exploring various topics relevant to your subject. The struggles each individual student has will be for you to help overcome with whatever time you have.

I would suggest reading up more on the Jungian typology and make an inventory of the people you know. You may find it is easy to guess what personality type a person has with relatively little information. I've used it on a few of my coworkers. This information will be useful in terms of figuring out what aspect of the subject your student might be interested in and what strengths they will easily employ in its pursuit. I'm very much an INFJ, so a philosopher type much more inclined to the big ideas than the details. an ESTP would tell you all about the fascinating trees and their different types, i would be more likely to talk about the glacier that deposited the nutrients in the soil of that forest, or I would talk about the coolest tree.

this is really just for starters. I'm not out there in the field with these kids. But you need to remember that traditionally the word educate meant to draw forth. Like the sculpture in the stone awaiting the removal of the un-needed bits, your students already have opinions. don't forget too, school itself is a topic relevant to pretty much every subject. Your aversion to Gatto notwithstanding, do as he did with the haters of school and share some of the big ideas behind the creation and design of school. and don't dismiss Gatto because he IS a good source on that, but do your research.

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  School's Link to Fascism
Posted by: A Wild T-34 - 05-27-2017 05:19 AM - Replies (4)

Am I the only one who has noticed the link of school systems to fascism?You have little to no rights, and if you break a rule ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶s̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶u̶l̶a̶g̶ you have severe punishments.And this may not be so related, but these fascist schools usually try to silence better options stating things like 'Kids need to be TAUGHT how to learn' not 'Kids learn better when left alone to learn.'

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  Hyprocrites
Posted by: The man - 05-27-2017 12:31 AM - Replies (1)

http://www.youthrights.org/blog/youth-ri...cal-issue/

"The Patriot Act is extremely mild compared to the many infringements on privacy that young people are subjected to. If you care about the right to privacy, consider the following.

The Patriot Act doesn’t require that individuals submit to random, suspicionless drug testing as many schools and indeed some parents are now requiring. Unlike drug testing at work, youth usually don’t have any choice whether to be at school or live with their parents.

The Patriot Act doesn’t allow authorities to search through an individual’s property without probable cause like schools do with lockers and parents do with everything.

The Patriot Act allows for increased use of wiretaps and monitoring of e-mail but nothing close to the kind of tracking software parents regularly place on their kid’s computers that tracks and records every keystroke and action taken with the computer. Every website, every word typed, every program used is recorded and sent to parents.

The Patriot Act may allow the government, in some cases, to look at what books you are checking out, but it doesn’t outright ban you from looking at or listening to certain books, movies, websites, magazines and music like age restrictions do.

While not part of the Patriot Act, no doubt you are alarmed by the increasing use of security cameras in public places watching our every move. That pales in comparison to the ways teens are tracked. Parents have taken to putting GPS tracking devices into backpacks and cars. Plus many cell phones now have GPS enabled on them and parents use those to track their kid’s movements. Furthermore there are computers parents install in cars that record every turn you make, how fast you go, how complete a stop you make, etc.

More directly, parents are even installing cameras in their kid’s bedrooms to monitor them at all times. Or removing their bedroom doors so they have no privacy whatsoever. This is all perfectly legal and happens all across the country.

As you of course know, the government (via schools) controls what clothes you wear, how you style your hair, whether you can have a cell phone or other electronic device, and what you can say or write in school. The Patriot Act doesn’t come close to that.

Funny how when it’s done much more mildly to adults it’s a human rights violation (and rightly so), but when done to kids and teens it’s “good parenting”."

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  Fuck Edgenuity/E2020
Posted by: An_Angry_Bastard - 05-24-2017 02:42 AM - Replies (14)

I am fully aware that it's risky to bash an online education program as my first post on a forum like this, but hear me out.
Edgenuity, or E2020 was assigned to me by my school so I can keep studying even though I'm out of school for a while (I really don't want to get into why). It fucking sucks. If you think that traditional schools brainwash you, you will be ASTOUNDED by how much a committee has fucked the courses. There's just so much bullshit, the questions are designed to trick you and not to test your understanding, the teachers are incompetent, and the courses are very narrow in their scope for any one subject.
I never thought I'd say this but I miss traditional school because at least there, when I tried and when my teacher gave a shit (a rare combination I admit), I would understand something and not just memorize shit for a test.
I understand why people like online classes. Don't get me wrong, the fact that I can test out of lessons before I take them has had me flying through shit at a rate I could never do in real life. But even stuff that interests me (english and history) are fucking awful in this program and I barely pay attention.
I don't claim to know how to make an individualized system that works for everyone. I don't even know how to fix edgenuity. I'm just pissed off at this stupid fucking setup, and I hope that seeing my pissed off rant might help some other people who don't like this class.

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  Students with disabilities in school
Posted by: kiskisbella - 05-23-2017 11:42 AM - Replies (4)

I'm writing a report on whether Australia can still be considered an egalitarian society, and the group I'm focusing on are people with disabilities. Thought this would be the best place to gather primary evidence from students. So if you're an Aussie and you have a disability, then step right up and tell me your stories about how the school you go to deals with your disability, both good and bad!

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  Where you can learn what school doesn't teach you
Posted by: Depression101 - 05-23-2017 05:32 AM - Replies (1)

I saw some threads here about places where you can learn for your high school exams without going through school. Well, if you're interested in directing and other stuff school doesn't teach you. Extra Credits made three videos on channels that basically cover these artistic things, and I'll add some extra one I know.

Mainly game design and some history: https://www.youtube.com/user/ExtraCreditz
Or, just watch this got a full list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGTQrsUOKM

Movies, directing, edditing, writing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DMqrc2H...a46TGzZiFP
Or another full list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJRk8F7V...freload=10

General -- art, philosophy, literature, psychology, etc.: https://www.youtube.com/user/schooloflif.../playlists
Or a list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVXMoCNPMg&t=16s

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  A good example
Posted by: the Analogist - 05-22-2017 02:32 PM - Replies (1)

I feel like this character displays a healthy emotional foundation




Watch on YouTube

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  The girl who used to be my fake friend tried to make me embarrass my art teacher
Posted by: Marlena403 - 05-20-2017 07:20 AM - Replies (1)

I was going to write about this two days ago, but my mum took my phone because hers wasn't charging.

Anyway, two days ago, a girl who used to be my fake friend when I was in Year 8 has been very rude to me. First, she and her friends brought me to C block. Then they banged on the door to C6 (The art room). The art teacher, who was the Head of Art came out and told them to be quiet and stop banging on the door. They did it again and my art teacher came out and asked us why we're in C block. I told her that those girls brought me there and I didn't know why. She then told us that she's going to C1 (Her room) and we can stay as long as we don't misbehave. The girl, who used to be my fake friend then told me to go to C1 and tell the teacher that I love her. I didn't know what to do, so I ran away.

The next day I told the art teacher that the girls wanted me to embarrass her. She told me not to do it.

What do I do the next time something like that happens?

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  Alliance for Self-Directed Education Membership & Forums are live!
Posted by: xcriteria - 05-19-2017 11:33 PM - Replies (2)

It's taken a long time, but the Alliance for Self-Directed Education (ASDE), launched by Peter Gray and others, has launched membership on their site, which includes forums and the opportunity to connect with others who are interested in things like unschooling, Sudbury/democratic schools, and activism around creating a movement to promote learning that is based on learner choice and interests.

If you want to get involved in the movement, you can sign up at https://www.self-directed.org/membership/

They ask for a financial contribution of some sort from members, but it's possible to bypass this if you aren't in a position to contribute.

I'm particularly interested in bridging the gap between the movement and growing practice of self-directed education, and the reality that many young people are stuck in school and want out.

The Alliance is a new organization, but I think it has great promise in being part of the change many of us have wanted to see for a long time.

Also anyone who's interested, feel free to PM me, I'd like to get more discussion going about this in a few places with those who are interested.

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